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Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

OpenSCAD mailing list-2
I'm studying how to find, download, install and use libraries. Probably making heavy weather of it. Thought I'd start with 'BOSL' as it has code that might help me make metric threads in my boxes, and possibly some matching bolts. One thing that's puzzling me is which version I should use. As you see, the latest version BOSL2 is much larger, but oddly its files seem to be more than a month older?

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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BOSL 1.0.3 is considered stable, but it has a number of things that could have been designed much more elegantly, in hindsight. I didn’t want to break backwards compatibility, so I started working on BOSL2, which let me redesign and rework much of the library. BOSL2 is already a much better library, with much more useful infrastructure, but it is NOT yet stable. Working on that. BOSL1 code, for the most part, will not work with BOSL2. 

-Revar 

On May 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Terrypin <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm studying how to find, download, install and use libraries. Probably making heavy weather of it. Thought I'd start with 'BOSL' as it has code that might help me make metric threads in my boxes, and possibly some matching bolts. One thing that's puzzling me is which version I should use. As you see, the latest version BOSL2 is much larger, but oddly its files seem to be more than a month older?

Terry



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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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I don't know where those file dates came from.  If I look at the github repo

https://github.com/revarbat/BOSL

most of the files are "over 2 years old".  If I look at BOSL2 the oldest files are about 5 months and a bunch of stuff has been modified in the last few days.   I think BOSL has gotten some bugfixes over the last two years, but no development.

Note also that if you use the old BOSL I think you need to use the 2019 version of OpenSCAD to avoid getting warnings about undef.  


OpenSCAD mailing list-2 wrote
I'm studying how to find, download, install and use libraries. Probably
making heavy weather of it. Thought I'd start with 'BOSL' as it has code
that might help me make metric threads in my boxes, and possibly some
matching bolts. One thing that's puzzling me is which version I should use.
As you see, the latest version BOSL2 is much larger, but oddly its files
seem to be more than a month *older*?


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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

OpenSCAD mailing list-2
Thanks Revar. As for the dates, I don't recall either. But I can say that as a non-programming end user, I do have a hard time navigating github!

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

OpenSCAD mailing list-2
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Thanks adrianv. As for the dates, I don't recall either. But I can say that as a non-programming end user, I do have a hard time navigating github!

P.S. I may have asked this before...how do I edit a post after sending it please? Rather than almost duplicating a reply as I've done here. (Note that I am exlcusively using the web site, no email.)

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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P.S. I may have asked this before...how do I edit a post after sending it please? Rather than almost duplicating a reply as I've done here. (Note that I am exlcusively using the web site, no email.)

I don't know if you can, but note that a very large fraction of the people here use e-mail and "edit a post" isn't a concept that works with e-mail.


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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

LenStruttmann
Using the web based forum (http://forum.openscad.org/), on the right side of the post there is a drop-down.

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P.S. I may have asked this before...how do I edit a post after sending it please? Rather than almost duplicating a reply as I've done here. (Note that I am exlcusively using the web site, no email.)

I don't know if you can, but note that a very large fraction of the people here use e-mail and "edit a post" isn't a concept that works with e-mail.

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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Not in my case! The only entries that appear under ‘More’ are
Reply to author
Print post
Permalink

The volume here is much lower than the last time I subscribed to an email based forum a few years ago. So I’ll try to subscribe to email again.

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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RE EDITING FORUM POSTS

OpenSCAD mailing list-2 wrote
Not in my case! The only entries that appear under ‘More’ are
That is because we have two classes of users ;)

Nothing personal, but there is this technical issue with email authentication mechanisms.

You will note that some users, including you Terry, have posts that end up on the Forum under generic User names, e.g. "User: OpenSCAD mailing list-2 Email: [hidden email]" not the logged on User name (for Terry - Terrypin) as for other users.

tl;dr Main workaround, signup for a gmail account, use it on the Forum, set to forward gmail to your main account. But do read the bit about 'editing' below.

You will note, (ATM - as I'm testing settings), such users actual-posts on the Mailing-list appear as an attachment. It is the host of the users email account that has the setting concerned. Note that gmail manages to work OK.

This may be fixed in the future, but setting up DMARC in our environment is not straight forward.

If your a 'normal' user, whose posts end up under their real User name, you can Edit via the More drop-down, HOWEVER!!!! when you do so the edits do not get sent to Mailing-list users.
Edit basically corrects the archived post.

So, unless it is minor typo for posterity, you are better 'Reply'ing to you own post, use the 'Quote' button, remove most of the quote (incl. all the historical detritus) and show something like the dhskfnbeExample I will post next.

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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Arhhg! That was
MichaelAtOz wrote
...and show something like the Mobius-strip Example...
(falsely blames auto-correct)
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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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MichaelAtOz wrote
you are better 'Reply'ing to you own post
Because you will note that such a correction does go to all the Mailing-list users, unlike Forum 'Edits'.
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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

MichaelAtOz
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MichaelAtOz wrote
RE EDITING FORUM POSTS

You will note that some users, including you Terry, have posts that end up
on the Forum under generic User names, e.g. "User: OpenSCAD mailing list-2
Email: [hidden email]" not the logged on User name (for Terry -
Terrypin) as for other users.
And just for completness, you will note such 'generic' posts show up in the email inbox as <Forum User name> via Discuss, with their actual email in the CC.

[unfortunately the CC is not available to me in the Nabble code I can customise, and Nabble support is pupating]

and finally, re the BOSL dates, Terry I believe you will find that they are the dates you extracted them from the zip file.
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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

OpenSCAD mailing list-2
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Thanks Michael, understood. And your status reconfiguration seems to be working fine as I’m replying to this via email.

Terry

On 22 May 2021, at 08:15, MichaelAtOz <[hidden email]> wrote:

RE EDITING FORUM POSTS

OpenSCAD mailing list-2 wrote
Not in my case! The only entries that appear under ‘More’ are
That is because we have two classes of users ;)

Nothing personal, but there is this technical issue with email authentication mechanisms.

You will note that some users, including you Terry, have posts that end up on the Forum under generic User names, e.g. "User: OpenSCAD mailing list-2 Email: [hidden email]" not the logged on User name (for Terry - Terrypin) as for other users.

tl;dr Main workaround, signup for a gmail account, use it on the Forum, set to forward gmail to your main account. But do read the bit about 'editing' below.

You will note, (ATM - as I'm testing settings), such users actual-posts on the Mailing-list appear as an attachment. It is the host of the users email account that has the setting concerned. Note that gmail manages to work OK.

This may be fixed in the future, but setting up DMARC in our environment is not straight forward.

If your a 'normal' user, whose posts end up under their real User name, you can Edit via the More drop-down, HOWEVER!!!! when you do so the edits do not get sent to Mailing-list users.
Edit basically corrects the archived post.

So, unless it is minor typo for posterity, you are better 'Reply'ing to you own post, use the 'Quote' button, remove most of the quote (incl. all the historical detritus) and show something like the dhskfnbeExample I will post next.

OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything, or if I've done something stupid...
* on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to email me.

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

OpenSCAD mailing list-2
(Replying to my previous reply in lieu of an Edit or Delete facility.)

My annotated screenshot explains why the change of status has not (yet?) made the two changes:
1. Replaced the generic name
2. Restored the full contents of the More drop-down to those shown by Len.




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MichaelAtOz
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MichaelAtOz wrote
RE EDITING FORUM POSTS
That is because we have two classes of users.

There is this technical issue with email authentication mechanisms.

It is the host of the  email account that has the setting.

There is nothing I can do with an email service that is affected. (incl. yahoo, aol, and many more)

tl;dr Main workaround, signup for a gmail account, use it on the Forum, set
to forward gmail to your main account.

Regarless you do NOT want to edit a post on the Forum.
If you had a material error in a post/email, either use the Forum and my 'Reply' 'Quote' suggestion, or via email reply to your email and do likewise. ie "<expletive> I meant 'do NOT', not 'do'...."
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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

Gene Heskett
On Saturday 22 May 2021 06:37:49 MichaelAtOz wrote:

> OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything,  or if I've done
> something stupid...

First qualification for the latter is the recommend we do business of any
kind with gmail. I'm an old hand at that and gave up makeing gmail work
as an email server. I voted with my feet and procmail rules long ago,
and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.  And my incoming spam
traffic is 5% of what it was then. Missing the first post of a thread is
one of the hazards here. So are 2nd posts that do not quote the firat
for context continuity.

The alternative is far worse.

> * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to
> email me.

I am not posting from the forum, hence the onlist reply.

> Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the
> Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all
> copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously
> inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above.
>
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/


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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[hidden email]]

> Sent: Sun, 23 May 2021 02:43

> To: [hidden email]

> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

>

> On Saturday 22 May 2021 06:37:49 MichaelAtOz wrote:

>

> > OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything,  or if I've done

> > something stupid...

>

> First qualification for the latter is the recommend we do business of any

> kind with gmail.

 

Thanks Gene. I always like feedback.

 

I'm an old hand at that and gave up makeing gmail work

> as an email server. I voted with my feet and procmail rules long ago,

> and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.  And my incoming spam

> traffic is 5% of what it was then.

 

> Missing the first post of a thread is

> one of the hazards here. So are 2nd posts that do not quote the firat

> for context continuity.

 

OK.

If you can do business that way, but as the Forum & List Admin, that doesn't work for me.

 

>

> The alternative is far worse.

>

> > * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to

> > email me.

>

> I am not posting from the forum, hence the onlist reply.

>

 

For experienced email based users, I would expect they don't need coaching to find my email address.

 

 

Let me know if I can assist further.

 

> > Unless specifically shown otherwise above, my contribution is in the

> > Public Domain; to the extent possible under law, I have waived all

> > copyright and related or neighbouring rights to this work. Obviously

> > inclusion of works of previous authors is not included in the above.

> >

> > --

> > Sent from: http://forum.openscad.org/

>

>

> Cheers, Gene Heskett

> --

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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."

> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)

> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.

>  - Louis D. Brandeis

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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

Gene Heskett
On Saturday 22 May 2021 18:04:11 MichaelAtOz wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >
> > Sent: Sun, 23 May 2021 02:43
> >
> > To: [hidden email]
> >
> > Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?
> >
> > On Saturday 22 May 2021 06:37:49 MichaelAtOz wrote:
> > > OpenSCAD Admin - email* me if you need anything,  or if I've done
> > >
> > > something stupid...
> >
> > First qualification for the latter is the recommend we do business
> > of any
> >
> > kind with gmail.
>
> Thanks Gene. I always like feedback.
>
>
>
> I'm an old hand at that and gave up makeing gmail work
>
> > as an email server. I voted with my feet and procmail rules long
> > ago,
> >
> > and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.  And my incoming
> > spam
> >
> > traffic is 5% of what it was then.
> >
> >
> >
> > Missing the first post of a thread is
> >
> > one of the hazards here. So are 2nd posts that do not quote the
> > firat
> >
> > for context continuity.
>
> OK.
>
> If you can do business that way, but as the Forum & List Admin, that
> doesn't work for me.

I can't argue with that at all. But it does confuse me when I see a reply
that looks interesting but I did not get the first, original post, and
the reply doesn't quote enough context that describes what the OP wants
to do So I'm sitting here in the dark.  I can only guess that the O-Post
was to the forum, which I'm not a logged in member of. So my thoughts
are, that if they are going to be linked for replies, why not the
Original Post too?

There are those of us more comfy with a mailing list, and seeing the OP
would be a definite plus for list only members. I of coarse, haven't a
clue how hard that might be to accomplish. My oar to steer this ship is
a toothpick of coarse. MichaelAtOz will do as the list rules say. I am
pleased it exists, and has been most helpfull to this old new bee.  

Thank you.

> > The alternative is far worse.
> >
> > > * on the Forum, click on my MichaelAtOz label, there is a link to
> > >
> > > email me.
> >
> > I am not posting from the forum, hence the onlist reply.
>
> For experienced email based users, I would expect they don't need
> coaching to find my email address.

It is in the headers. But many do not accept email sent to that
address...

> Let me know if I can assist further.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?

JordanBrown
On 5/22/2021 4:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
I can't argue with that at all. But it does confuse me when I see a reply that looks interesting but I did not get the first, original post, and the reply doesn't quote enough context that describes what the OP wants to do So I'm sitting here in the dark. I can only guess that the O-Post was to the forum, which I'm not a logged in member of. So my thoughts are, that if they are going to be linked for replies, why not the Original Post too?

I haven't seen any evidence that initial forum posts don't go to the mailing list.

For instance, I got Terry's initial message in this thread, and GregL's "Challenge" message of the 21st at 3:56am Pacific, and both of those appear to have originated at the forum.


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Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete? Forum v's Mailing-list.

MichaelAtOz
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:08
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Is the BOSL 1.03 library obsolete?
>
> On Saturday 22 May 2021 18:04:11 MichaelAtOz wrote:

...

> > If you can do business that way, but as the Forum & List Admin, that
> > doesn't work for me.
>
> I can't argue with that at all. But it does confuse me when I see a reply
> that looks interesting but I did not get the first, original post, and
> the reply doesn't quote enough context that describes what the OP wants
> to do So I'm sitting here in the dark.  I can only guess that the O-Post
> was to the forum, which I'm not a logged in member of. So my thoughts
> are, that if they are going to be linked for replies, why not the
> Original Post too?
>
> There are those of us more comfy with a mailing list, and seeing the OP
> would be a definite plus for list only members. I of coarse, haven't a
> clue how hard that might be to accomplish. My oar to steer this ship is
> a toothpick of coarse. MichaelAtOz will do as the list rules say. I am
> pleased it exists, and has been most helpfull to this old new bee.
>

The Forum & Mailing-list are closely coupled.

A proto-post on the Forum, first gets sent to the Mailing-list.
The Forum is subscribed to the Mailing-list.
Hence the proto-post gets sent to all members of the List, including the Forum.

[so first point of note, all% posts created on the Forum get sent to everyone on the List]

(% from addresses subscribed to the List. Otherwise -> black hole)

When the Forum receives the proto-post back from the Mailing-list, it does some
matching to discover the appropriate* Forum User who created it, and
then actually saves it in the Forum against that account and the relevant thread#.

(* this is where that 'technical issue with email authentication mechanisms' kicks in)
(# black box, but headers like In-Reply-To: etc. would play a roll)

So that is the Forum->List loop. Now for Emails->Forum.

Emails to the Mailing-list (I'm talking from an Email-client here), get sent to all subscribed
users, unless they have requested to have delivery disabled. As mentioned
above, the Forum is also a subscriber. When the Forum receives an email, like above, it
does matching to discover the appropriate* Forum User, in this case the email-address is used^, it
then does other matching# to find an appropriate thread. If it can't find a good thread, it is
posted as a new thread.

(^ for users in the 'technical issue' category, that ends up being the List email address)

[second point, all emails to the Mailing-list go to all subscribers, unless 'disabled']

The Forum & Mailing-list are closely coupled.

Gene, if you are not seeing an OP or 2nd posts, regardless of Forum v List, your email system is
flawed. All well and good getting less spam, but false positives are a PITA.





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