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the first illegal openscad file ?

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FYI in the US the government just banned a bunch of files off of the DEFCAD.org website, claiming the file may violate the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, ITAR, and that the file may be considered 'technical data' under the US List of Munitions (USLM).

One of the files is an openscad file for a 'sound moderator' (silencer).

http://defcad.org/sound-moderator/

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6808

Forbes has a good article on the details.

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Re: the first illegal openscad file ?

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2013/5/10 Don Bright <[hidden email]>:

> FYI in the US the government just banned a bunch of files off of the
> DEFCAD.org website, claiming the file may violate the International Traffic
> in Arms Regulations, ITAR, and that the file may be considered 'technical
> data' under the US List of Munitions (USLM).
>
> One of the files is an openscad file for a 'sound moderator' (silencer).
>
> http://defcad.org/sound-moderator/
>
> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6808
>
> Forbes has a good article on the details.
>
> -DB
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Re: the first illegal openscad file ?

Alan Cox
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:55:03 -0500
Don Bright <[hidden email]> wrote:

> FYI in the US the government just banned a bunch of files off of the
> DEFCAD.org website, claiming the file may violate the International Traffic
> in Arms Regulations, ITAR, and that the file may be considered 'technical
> data' under the US List of Munitions (USLM).

That will be interesting. Maybe the Bernstein case that code is speech
will finally get tested in the US supreme court.

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Re: the first illegal openscad file ?

Taylor Alexander
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous when we consider money to be speech but we don't consider data to be speech.


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Alan Cox <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:55:03 -0500
Don Bright <[hidden email]> wrote:

> FYI in the US the government just banned a bunch of files off of the
> DEFCAD.org website, claiming the file may violate the International Traffic
> in Arms Regulations, ITAR, and that the file may be considered 'technical
> data' under the US List of Munitions (USLM).

That will be interesting. Maybe the Bernstein case that code is speech
will finally get tested in the US supreme court.

Alan
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terramir
yeah it's kinda funny but then again silencers are illegal in all 50 states when it comes to guns, however if modified (diameter changed and done out of a heat resistant material it would be a completely legal exhaust silencer :P
so it all depends on the application.
I wonder why it has not been removed from thingiverse, then again the author of the file is beyond the us jurisdiction (new zealand) (also the producer of  diamond age PLA :p. but if I remember correctly thingiverse and makerbot are US companies.
so why that has not been removed is beyond me.
my $.02
terramir


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Taylor Alexander <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous when we consider money to be speech but we don't consider data to be speech.


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Alan Cox <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, 9 May 2013 19:55:03 -0500
Don Bright <[hidden email]> wrote:

> FYI in the US the government just banned a bunch of files off of the
> DEFCAD.org website, claiming the file may violate the International Traffic
> in Arms Regulations, ITAR, and that the file may be considered 'technical
> data' under the US List of Munitions (USLM).

That will be interesting. Maybe the Bernstein case that code is speech
will finally get tested in the US supreme court.

Alan
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William Adams-2
On May 10, 2013, at 2:14 PM, r.d. terramir wrote:

> silencers are illegal in all 50 states when it comes to guns

Silencers are not illegal. They're controlled by the BATF for tax purposes.

Each silencer has to have approved paperwork, and a $200 tax paid for it --- once this is done, it's legal, so far as the federal government goes, but one still has to comply w/ state and local laws.

The file on Thingiverse probably gets a buy, since it's mentioned as being for air rifles (which aren't subject to such).

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terramir
oh I thought they were illegal learn something new every day, I know they are illegal in california for sure. at least when it comes to real guns as for air guns I don't think that's part of the equation though.
then again pretty much everything in california is illegal, like in san francisco spitting is illegal (fine but throwing up is free) lol.
terramir


On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:14 PM, William Adams <[hidden email]> wrote:
On May 10, 2013, at 2:14 PM, r.d. terramir wrote:

> silencers are illegal in all 50 states when it comes to guns

Silencers are not illegal. They're controlled by the BATF for tax purposes.

Each silencer has to have approved paperwork, and a $200 tax paid for it --- once this is done, it's legal, so far as the federal government goes, but one still has to comply w/ state and local laws.

The file on Thingiverse probably gets a buy, since it's mentioned as being for air rifles (which aren't subject to such).

William

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