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Gentlemen,
I searched for nc code verification and found nothing. Has anyone developed this type of application on openSCAD? thanks Stuart |
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What does NC stand for?
http://www.acronymfinder.com/NC.html Your abbreviation has 153 meanings On 2-2-2015 5:45, stustev wrote: > Gentlemen, > I searched for nc code verification and found nothing. > Has anyone developed this type of application on openSCAD? > thanks > Stuart > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373.html > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Hi, I would like to use openSCAD to machine the part virtually in the same manner Vericut does - only with open source code.Numerical Control - a gcode program that openSCAM or some other nc cam program would generate. Stuart On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:47 PM, pim <[hidden email]> wrote: What does NC stand for? -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence._______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Hi, I have NCL by NCCS to do nc programming. It generates nc code like a lot of other nc programming systems.I have a verification package inside NCL but it uses the ncl program to verify the motion around the model. I want to use the nc code that is loaded into the machine (after the post processor) to do the verification. That will eliminate any possible post processor errors. I would also like to build the machine components, fixture components and tooling components to allow the verification package to check for interference between those components. thanks Stuart On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email]> wrote:
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OpenSCAD isn't a CAM program; it doesn't convert 3D models to tool
paths or generate g-code. It also doesn't read g-code, or any other nc code variant. On 1 February 2015 at 23:45, stustev <[hidden email]> wrote: > Gentlemen, > I searched for nc code verification and found nothing. > Has anyone developed this type of application on openSCAD? > thanks > Stuart > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373.html > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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I am not asking to see if it generates a CAM program. My software does that. I want to be able to use openSCAD to open a CAM program. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM, doug moen <[hidden email]> wrote: OpenSCAD isn't a CAM program; it doesn't convert 3D models to tool -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence._______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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On Feb 2, 2015, at 18:48 PM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I want to be able to use openSCAD to open a CAM program. > Read it line by line. > Use the read lines as input to openSCAD to remove material from a block or model to simulate the machining process. > I would start by writing an nc code interpreter which converts each linear movement into an OpenSCAD primitive, then generate an OpenSCAD file containing the block and all subtracted primitives. This will likely be extremely slow, but it could be worth a shot. -Marius _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Is there scripting capability in openSCAD to do this or would it be a separate program outside? On Feb 2, 2015 5:52 PM, "Marius Kintel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Feb 2, 2015, at 18:48 PM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email]> wrote: _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Stuart,
Do you envision working 2.5D type toolpaths, 3D or 3D with tool axis varying? Working up some code to generate OpenSCAD commands should be pretty straightforward for 2.5D toolpaths. The 3D and tool axis stuff may be pushing things a bit. Also, how many tool points do you envision processing at one time? Phil(f) in WI On 2/2/2015 5:48 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > I am not asking to see if it generates a CAM program. My software does that. > > I want to be able to use openSCAD to open a CAM program. > Read it line by line. > Use the read lines as input to openSCAD to remove material from a block or model > to simulate the machining process. > > If no one has attempted this with openSCAD then I want to explore this capability. > If someone has done this or is working on this then I want to contribute as much > as I can. > > thanks > Stuart > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM, doug moen <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > OpenSCAD isn't a CAM program; it doesn't convert 3D models to tool > paths or generate g-code. It also doesn't read g-code, or any other nc > code variant. > > On 1 February 2015 at 23:45, stustev <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > I searched for nc code verification and found nothing. > > Has anyone developed this type of application on openSCAD? > > thanks > > Stuart > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373.html > > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > > -- > Addressee is the intended audience. > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this > email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, > and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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I need multiaxis verification.
Stuart,
Do you envision working 2.5D type toolpaths, 3D or 3D with tool axis varying? Working up some code to generate OpenSCAD commands should be pretty straightforward for 2.5D toolpaths. The 3D and tool axis stuff may be pushing things a bit. Also, how many tool points do you envision processing at one time? Phil(f) in WI On 2/2/2015 5:48 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > I am not asking to see if it generates a CAM program. My software does that. > > I want to be able to use openSCAD to open a CAM program. > Read it line by line. > Use the read lines as input to openSCAD to remove material from a block or model > to simulate the machining process. > > If no one has attempted this with openSCAD then I want to explore this capability. > If someone has done this or is working on this then I want to contribute as much > as I can. > > thanks > Stuart > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM, doug moen <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > OpenSCAD isn't a CAM program; it doesn't convert 3D models to tool > paths or generate g-code. It also doesn't read g-code, or any other nc > code variant. > > On 1 February 2015 at 23:45, stustev <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > I searched for nc code verification and found nothing. > > Has anyone developed this type of application on openSCAD? > > thanks > > Stuart > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373.html > > Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenSCAD mailing list > > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > > -- > Addressee is the intended audience. > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this > email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, > and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
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It sounds interesting. Keep in mind that OpenSCAD is not a language
as such - you create a text file that describes 3D solids and how to
mergrge them, that the openscad system then 'runs' to create a final
lump.
In that sense it is just like Gcode toolpaths. Some people have used programming languages to create the OpenSCAD operations in a file, which is then used by OpenSCAD to create the final output STL solid. This is probably because OpenSCAD is not able to read another file eg the NC toolpaths in Gcode, and interpret into solid descriptions. It would be nice if it could.! On 03/02/2015 00:56, stustev wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Richard Benjamin <[hidden email]> wrote:
NCL creates tool paths. Postworks (NCCS's post processor) uses the CL (Cutter Location) file to create the CAM program oriented for a specific machine and control.
This is what I want to develop or have developed. The point of my original question was to determine at what level (if any) this had been done.Seems to me nothing has been done in this direction. If I am understanding this correctly my path should be as follows. Using a scripting application. Perl is the one I have a little knowledge of. Open the CAM program Read in the first line. Use Perl to manipulate the input to achieve the desired output. (This would be the 'technical' part). :) Open OpenSCADRun the Perl output line in OpenSCAD If you are in single block mode or at a program stop (M01) you could analyse the OpenSCAD model If you are in auto mode the script would continue without interruption Save the resulting model and close OpenSCAD Read the next line in the CAM program. Use Perl to manipulate the input to achieve the desired output Open the saved OpenSCAD model Run the Perl output line in OpenSCAD repeat until reaching the EOL or program stop (M01/M02/M30) Having just started looking at OpenSCAD I have a lot to learn about it. I brought in an STL file. OpenSCAD was extremely fast at this. It was not a large file but the model appeared on the screen immediately and looked very nice and clean. I was able to use a cube and remove material like I would imagine the cutter would on the machine. I created a solid model of the forging and a solid model of the finished part. It looks as if I would be able to use OpenSCAD to 'machine' the forging and have the finished part as a final product. I would want to then compare the OpenSCAD finished part with the solid modelled part to determine if the CAM program would indeed machine the part as desired. I would also be able to output the OpenSCAD finished part to a CMM and inspect the model to the print. Any help at any point of this path will be appreciated. thanks Stuart -- Addressee is the intended audience. If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence._______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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On Feb 3, 2015, at 08:12 AM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > […] > Open OpenSCAD > Run the Perl output line in OpenSCAD > […] > Save the resulting model and close OpenSCAD Instead of doing this, I would simply generate an OpenSCAD script directly from Perl, and _in the end_, open the entire script in OpenSCAD to get the the final geometry calculated. That way, the perl script will be simpler and decoupled from OpenSCAD itself. This way you could also experiment with other engines in addition to OpenSCAD by simple changing your output (e.g. Netfabb, Blender, the various openjscad-like tools etc.). -Marius _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, kintel [via OpenSCAD] <[hidden email]> wrote: On Feb 3, 2015, at 08:12 AM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email]> wrote: I agree this should be an option. I like the idea of line by line. That allows finding exactly which line of code makes which cut. Sometimes, it is clear by just looking but other times it is not clear which line of code did exactly what. If there is a way to highlight the cut surfaces/sections and see which line of code cut it then preprocessing the entire CAM program would be just fine. Being able to process the entire CAM program will surely be early in the cycle.
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I can see the value of the cut by cut approach.
If you did the whole lot in one batch, then cmpare the result STL to the designed STL, eg by differencing, you will get to see gouges and uncut areas, but not where in the program it occured. If you create each program step cut as an additive operation then intersect that with the designed STL, you will see over/deep/gouge cuts, or nothing, at each step. You probably don't need to see cuts that don't touch the finished part as they will be lots of roughing etc. On 03/02/2015 15:27, stustev wrote:
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Benjamin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Many times the miss cut event is a roughing cut that is incorrect. You are not able to see it until the finish passes and you must examine the finish passes in detail to determine the problem is not in the finish passes. You can always find the problem but it can be easier and quicker with certain techniques. It is a time, frustration issue. :)
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On Feb 3, 2015, at 10:27 AM, stustev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I agree this should be an option. > I like the idea of line by line. That allows finding exactly which line of code makes which cut. Sometimes, it is clear by just looking but other times it is not clear which line of code did exactly what. If there is a way to highlight the cut surfaces/sections and see which line of code cut it then preprocessing the entire CAM program would be just fine. > There are ways of structuring this in OpenSCAD. You could e.g. describe all tool locations in a list and let OpenSCAD iterate over that list. You could even have an animation playing through the list to see the actual tool movement. Some of these things are possible in real-time, while others require a lot of processing. The best would be to start somewhere and get some experience in terms of what limitations in OpenSCAD you’ll have to live with. Perhaps this example could help understand highlighting/animation: http://files.openscad.org/examples/Advanced/animation.html -Marius _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Well there you go then, the concept will work (my para 3).
It will not detect an over deep rough cut that misses the finished surfaces, and that may be a problem too - loading everything up from the cutter to the workpiece. But that leads me on to think - by modelling each cut step and calculating it's volume...hmm, would need to difference the tool with a 'work so far' model at any instant to check for too much plunge or just slamming sideways into the piece. Could be done. You would also probably want to do a minowski on the 'designed' STL to reduce it a skim. THis would prevent arithmetic errors causing tiddly bits of intersection and make the go/nogo result clear. On 03/02/2015 16:52, Stuart Stevenson
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If OpenSCAD supports user defined attributes on a face-by-face basis, one can
attach the sequence number (Nxxxx), a g-code file line number or even the text of the block itself (perhaps with a level of indirection) to each set of faces affected by the respective cut vector. On 2/3/2015 11:07 AM, Richard Benjamin wrote: > Well there you go then, the concept will work (my para 3). > It will not detect an over deep rough cut that misses the finished surfaces, and > that may be a problem too - loading everything up from the cutter to the workpiece. > > But that leads me on to think - by modelling each cut step and calculating it's > volume...hmm, would need to difference the tool with a 'work so far' model at > any instant to check for too much plunge or just slamming sideways into the piece. > > Could be done. > > You would also probably want to do a minowski on the 'designed' STL to reduce it > a skim. THis would prevent arithmetic errors causing tiddly bits of intersection > and make the go/nogo result clear. > > On 03/02/2015 16:52, Stuart Stevenson wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Benjamin <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> I can see the value of the cut by cut approach. >> >> If you did the whole lot in one batch, then cmpare the result STL to the >> designed STL, eg by differencing, you will get to see gouges and uncut >> areas, but not where in the program it occured. >> >> If you create each program step cut as an additive operation then >> intersect that with the designed STL, you will see over/deep/gouge cuts, >> or nothing, at each step. >> >> You probably don't need to see cuts that don't touch the finished part as >> they will be lots of roughing etc. >> >> Many times the miss cut event is a roughing cut that is incorrect. You are not >> able to see it until the finish passes and you must examine the finish passes >> in detail to determine the problem is not in the finish passes. You can always >> find the problem but it can be easier and quicker with certain techniques. >> It is a time, frustration issue. :) >> >> >> On 03/02/2015 15:27, stustev wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, kintel [via OpenSCAD] <[hidden email] >>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=11392&i=0>> wrote: >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2015, at 08:12 AM, Stuart Stevenson <[hidden email] >>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=11389&i=0>> wrote: >>> > >>> > […] >>> >>> > Open OpenSCAD >>> > Run the Perl output line in OpenSCAD >>> > […] >>> > Save the resulting model and close OpenSCAD >>> >>> Instead of doing this, I would simply generate an OpenSCAD script >>> directly from Perl, and _in the end_, open the entire script in >>> OpenSCAD to get the the final geometry calculated. That way, the >>> perl script will be simpler and decoupled from OpenSCAD itself. >>> This way you could also experiment with other engines in addition to >>> OpenSCAD by simple changing your output (e.g. Netfabb, Blender, the >>> various openjscad-like tools etc.). >>> >>> -Marius >>> >>> I agree this should be an option. >>> I like the idea of line by line. That allows finding exactly which line >>> of code makes which cut. Sometimes, it is clear by just looking but other >>> times it is not clear which line of code did exactly what. If there is a >>> way to highlight the cut surfaces/sections and see which line of code cut >>> it then preprocessing the entire CAM program would be just fine. >>> >>> Being able to process the entire CAM program will surely be early in the >>> cycle. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenSCAD mailing list >>> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=11389&i=1> >>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >>> discussion below: >>> http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373p11389.html >>> To unsubscribe from nc code verification, click here. >>> NAML >>> <http://forum.openscad.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Addressee is the intended audience. >>> If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read >>> this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving >>> or reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private >>> correspondence. >>> Thank you for honoring my wish. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> View this message in context: Re: nc code verification >>> <http://forum.openscad.org/nc-code-verification-tp11373p11392.html> >>> Sent from the OpenSCAD mailing list archive <http://forum.openscad.org/> >>> at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenSCAD mailing list >>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Addressee is the intended audience. >> If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read this >> email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or >> reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private correspondence. >> Thank you for honoring my wish. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenSCAD mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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Marius, Forgive my laziness, it's been a while since I used OpenSCAD, but does
OpenSCAD support a linear sweep / extrude of a solid body (resulting in a new solid that can be subtracted) versus a linear sweep / extrude a 2D profile? Phil(f) in WI On 2/3/2015 11:03 AM, Marius Kintel wrote: > On Feb 3, 2015, at 10:27 AM, stustev<[hidden email]> wrote: >> I agree this should be an option. >> I like the idea of line by line. That allows finding exactly which line of code makes which cut. Sometimes, it is clear by just looking but other times it is not clear which line of code did exactly what. If there is a way to highlight the cut surfaces/sections and see which line of code cut it then preprocessing the entire CAM program would be just fine. >> > There are ways of structuring this in OpenSCAD. You could e.g. describe all tool locations in a list and let OpenSCAD iterate over that list. > You could even have an animation playing through the list to see the actual tool movement. > Some of these things are possible in real-time, while others require a lot of processing. > The best would be to start somewhere and get some experience in terms of what limitations in OpenSCAD you’ll have to live with. > > Perhaps this example could help understand highlighting/animation: > http://files.openscad.org/examples/Advanced/animation.html > > -Marius > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org > _______________________________________________ OpenSCAD mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.openscad.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.openscad.org |
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