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jonnie
Hi,

I usually work with CAD and rendering software using two monitor screens.
OpenSCAD offers a preference under "advanced" to enable undocking of the
editor and console.

However there seem to be limitations.

The Editor which is launched does not seem to be a fully configured window,
it always stays ontop with respect to the console window from where it was
undocked and in addition the header bar does not react to the usual right
click ( I am working on linux UBUNTU ) which would normally result in a
pop-up offering options like "move to workspace left" which is how I would
usually send it to a different monitor.

I can send the main console to a different workspace but then the editor
follows it so I am still not achieving the desired result of having editor
on one monitor screen and the console ( with customiser hidden ) occupying
the screen of my second monitor.

I wondered if anyone had any views or knowledge on this, for instance could
QT the gui used for openScad offer the kind of full child window
independence required to offer twin monitor support and ability to bring one
window infront of the other etc.
   



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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

alexgibson

Could I just tack onto this a related issue please?

 

Under Windows 10 64-bit, OpenSCAD doesn’t seem to respect the taskbar being at the top of the screen (as it should always have been and was originally intended, fight me J !)

 

Here you can see it behaving correctly under Windows 7 (but not always) but sometimes when maximised the title bar disappears behind the taskbar, often leaving a taskbar sized gap at the bottom of the screen.  No doubt this is not OpenSCAD specific but may be a bug in QT or whatever is used for the window manager… any hints and tips to force the correct behaviour, I’d be grateful!!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Alex Gibson

 

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Hi,

 

I usually work with CAD and rendering software using two monitor screens.

OpenSCAD offers a preference under "advanced" to enable undocking of the

editor and console.

 

However there seem to be limitations.

 

The Editor which is launched does not seem to be a fully configured window,

it always stays ontop with respect to the console window from where it was

undocked and in addition the header bar does not react to the usual right

click ( I am working on linux UBUNTU ) which would normally result in a

pop-up offering options like "move to workspace left" which is how I would

usually send it to a different monitor.

 

I can send the main console to a different workspace but then the editor

follows it so I am still not achieving the desired result of having editor

on one monitor screen and the console ( with customiser hidden ) occupying

the screen of my second monitor.

 

I wondered if anyone had any views or knowledge on this, for instance could

QT the gui used for openScad offer the kind of full child window

independence required to offer twin monitor support and ability to bring one

window infront of the other etc.

  

 

 

 

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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

Troberg
Another related issue: The one panel I feel would be useful to undock when
working with multimonitor setups is the 3D view, and it's the one panel I
can't undock.

My ideal setup would be one window with the editor, console, customizer and
animation bar, and a window on the secondary screen with just the 3D view.

Sure, I can undock everything, but then I get a bunch of loose windows,
which is a hassle.



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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

tsingi
I haven't used SCAD in a while, but I use vim as an editor.  When you save the file SCAD detects that the file is changed.
Of course you can put it in whichever window you want.

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Another related issue: The one panel I feel would be useful to undock when
working with multimonitor setups is the 3D view, and it's the one panel I
can't undock.

My ideal setup would be one window with the editor, console, customizer and
animation bar, and a window on the secondary screen with just the 3D view.

Sure, I can undock everything, but then I get a bunch of loose windows,
which is a hassle.



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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

Troberg
tsingi wrote
> I haven't used SCAD in a while, but I use vim as an editor.  When you save
> the file SCAD detects that the file is changed.
> Of course you can put it in whichever window you want.

True, and I sometimes do similar things when I have programs which generate
OpenSCAD code, but it's not really an answer here. You use an external
editor because the internal is lacking, and the long term solution should be
to fix the internal editor so more people use it (though, in my opinion,
it's quite good enough for my use).




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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

nophead
I don't use the internal editor because I use an external editor I wrote myself, which also does my source control. It stores my code in an XML database on GoogleDrive so I can see any version of anything instantaneously from anywhere. The actual editor component is a much older version of Scintilla that is not configured for OpenSCAD, so doesn't syntax hilite, etc, but the integrated source control means I prefer it.

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tsingi wrote
> I haven't used SCAD in a while, but I use vim as an editor.  When you save
> the file SCAD detects that the file is changed.
> Of course you can put it in whichever window you want.

True, and I sometimes do similar things when I have programs which generate
OpenSCAD code, but it's not really an answer here. You use an external
editor because the internal is lacking, and the long term solution should be
to fix the internal editor so more people use it (though, in my opinion,
it's quite good enough for my use).




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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

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The extra internal editor most just needs formatting capability, brace matching and possibly git integrstion. (Or textpad style macros). Being able to connect to an openscad language server would be cool.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 17:06 Troberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
tsingi wrote
> I haven't used SCAD in a while, but I use vim as an editor.  When you save
> the file SCAD detects that the file is changed.
> Of course you can put it in whichever window you want.

True, and I sometimes do similar things when I have programs which generate
OpenSCAD code, but it's not really an answer here. You use an external
editor because the internal is lacking, and the long term solution should be
to fix the internal editor so more people use it (though, in my opinion,
it's quite good enough for my use).




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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

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On 11/16/2020 3:17 AM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
The extra internal editor most just needs formatting capability, brace matching and possibly git integrstion. (Or textpad style macros). Being able to connect to an openscad language server would be cool.

It does automatic indentation and highlights matching braces, brackets, and parentheses.  What else were you looking for in terms of formatting?

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It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting. 

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On 11/16/2020 3:17 AM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
The extra internal editor most just needs formatting capability, brace matching and possibly git integrstion. (Or textpad style macros). Being able to connect to an openscad language server would be cool.

It does automatic indentation and highlights matching braces, brackets, and parentheses.  What else were you looking for in terms of formatting?

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On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".


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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

Álvaro Deibe Díaz
This is my first post in this forum. Please, excuse me if this is not the right place to write this.

I have been using OpenSCAD since 2008, as a tool to teach Geometry concepts in my Mathematics courses (Industrial Design). The OpenSCAD window is projected onto a screen from a Windows machine, configured with extended desktop. I have to use version 2014.03 because it is the last one that works correctly in that environment. Newer versions have some issues with correct scaling of fonts and zooming, on the extended desktop screen (the projected one). The text becomes illegible. It seems to have to do with the zoom scale factor and the fact that both displays have different resolutions.

Of course, in version 2014.03 there is no color coding nor automatic formatting....   :o)



El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 2:14, Jordan Brown (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".

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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

tsingi
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I use an external editor.  I do that with all my development.  I don't use it because OpenSCAD's editor is lacking, rather because it isn't required.

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tsingi wrote
> I haven't used SCAD in a while, but I use vim as an editor.  When you save
> the file SCAD detects that the file is changed.
> Of course you can put it in whichever window you want.

True, and I sometimes do similar things when I have programs which generate
OpenSCAD code, but it's not really an answer here. You use an external
editor because the internal is lacking, and the long term solution should be
to fix the internal editor so more people use it (though, in my opinion,
it's quite good enough for my use).




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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

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It probably depends on the graphics driver because I always use OpenSCAD on two screens on Windows and it works fine for me. At the moment I have my main screen on a Laptop at 1920x1080 and the second screen on a TV at 1600 x 900 with overscan. Apart from the fact I can't maximise it on the second screen because of the overscan it works OK and the text is legible. It is just a bit bigger on the TV because it is larger but has lower resolution.

I did try a slightly more modern, larger TV but the text was blurred because it also had overscan which meant it was stretching the image. I have a much larger brand new TV and that works as a monitor without overscan.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 13:27, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is my first post in this forum. Please, excuse me if this is not the right place to write this.

I have been using OpenSCAD since 2008, as a tool to teach Geometry concepts in my Mathematics courses (Industrial Design). The OpenSCAD window is projected onto a screen from a Windows machine, configured with extended desktop. I have to use version 2014.03 because it is the last one that works correctly in that environment. Newer versions have some issues with correct scaling of fonts and zooming, on the extended desktop screen (the projected one). The text becomes illegible. It seems to have to do with the zoom scale factor and the fact that both displays have different resolutions.

Of course, in version 2014.03 there is no color coding nor automatic formatting....   :o)



El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 2:14, Jordan Brown (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".

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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

Álvaro Deibe Díaz
Good point. I also think it has something to do with the graphics driver. But, since 2015 I have tried different computers (Thinkpad T420s, Surface Pro 3, Thinkpad X1 Tablet), different OS (Windows 7, Windows 10), with different chipset and of course different graphics hardware, with the same result.

Watching the corrupted text, it appears that the text renderer draws, on the secondary screen, a font of a size that is correct for the resolution of the main screen but this font is spaced with the correct spacing from the secondary screen. The letters are rendered correctly but are misplaced, so they are stepping on each other.

I'm attaching an image showing a simple example of this behaviour, but I'm not sure the image will get through.

image.png

El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 15:40, nop head (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
It probably depends on the graphics driver because I always use OpenSCAD on two screens on Windows and it works fine for me. At the moment I have my main screen on a Laptop at 1920x1080 and the second screen on a TV at 1600 x 900 with overscan. Apart from the fact I can't maximise it on the second screen because of the overscan it works OK and the text is legible. It is just a bit bigger on the TV because it is larger but has lower resolution.

I did try a slightly more modern, larger TV but the text was blurred because it also had overscan which meant it was stretching the image. I have a much larger brand new TV and that works as a monitor without overscan.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 13:27, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is my first post in this forum. Please, excuse me if this is not the right place to write this.

I have been using OpenSCAD since 2008, as a tool to teach Geometry concepts in my Mathematics courses (Industrial Design). The OpenSCAD window is projected onto a screen from a Windows machine, configured with extended desktop. I have to use version 2014.03 because it is the last one that works correctly in that environment. Newer versions have some issues with correct scaling of fonts and zooming, on the extended desktop screen (the projected one). The text becomes illegible. It seems to have to do with the zoom scale factor and the fact that both displays have different resolutions.

Of course, in version 2014.03 there is no color coding nor automatic formatting....   :o)



El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 2:14, Jordan Brown (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".

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That is odd. I tried changing the Windows text size setting to get big fonts but that also works fine for me.

The only obvious difference is you are using a different language, Spanish? (I should know because I am living in Spain at the moment!) but I have only ever used English.

I know it shouldn't make any difference but there must be something different if you have problems on all those platforms.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 22:01, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good point. I also think it has something to do with the graphics driver. But, since 2015 I have tried different computers (Thinkpad T420s, Surface Pro 3, Thinkpad X1 Tablet), different OS (Windows 7, Windows 10), with different chipset and of course different graphics hardware, with the same result.

Watching the corrupted text, it appears that the text renderer draws, on the secondary screen, a font of a size that is correct for the resolution of the main screen but this font is spaced with the correct spacing from the secondary screen. The letters are rendered correctly but are misplaced, so they are stepping on each other.

I'm attaching an image showing a simple example of this behaviour, but I'm not sure the image will get through.

image.png

El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 15:40, nop head (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
It probably depends on the graphics driver because I always use OpenSCAD on two screens on Windows and it works fine for me. At the moment I have my main screen on a Laptop at 1920x1080 and the second screen on a TV at 1600 x 900 with overscan. Apart from the fact I can't maximise it on the second screen because of the overscan it works OK and the text is legible. It is just a bit bigger on the TV because it is larger but has lower resolution.

I did try a slightly more modern, larger TV but the text was blurred because it also had overscan which meant it was stretching the image. I have a much larger brand new TV and that works as a monitor without overscan.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 13:27, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is my first post in this forum. Please, excuse me if this is not the right place to write this.

I have been using OpenSCAD since 2008, as a tool to teach Geometry concepts in my Mathematics courses (Industrial Design). The OpenSCAD window is projected onto a screen from a Windows machine, configured with extended desktop. I have to use version 2014.03 because it is the last one that works correctly in that environment. Newer versions have some issues with correct scaling of fonts and zooming, on the extended desktop screen (the projected one). The text becomes illegible. It seems to have to do with the zoom scale factor and the fact that both displays have different resolutions.

Of course, in version 2014.03 there is no color coding nor automatic formatting....   :o)



El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 2:14, Jordan Brown (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".

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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

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I thought I'd seen that before;
http://forum.openscad.org/Editor-text-messed-up-td21217.html

Unfortunately the root cause was not found.
But they used the Edit/Preferences/Editor/EditorType/SimpleEditor.




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This has been reported as a DPI issue;
https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/1624
But no solution, maybe you could play with DPI settings.



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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

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Sure, Spanish. Ferrol (Coruña, Galicia) to be more precise...     :o)

Interesting if the language could make such a difference. Strange, but possible... but no. Just tried it. Still the same issue.

No problems with version 2014.03, though.

It seems that, as reported by MichaelAtOz, this error has been reported and is yet to be fixed.

Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 23:48, nop head (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
That is odd. I tried changing the Windows text size setting to get big fonts but that also works fine for me.

The only obvious difference is you are using a different language, Spanish? (I should know because I am living in Spain at the moment!) but I have only ever used English.

I know it shouldn't make any difference but there must be something different if you have problems on all those platforms.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 22:01, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good point. I also think it has something to do with the graphics driver. But, since 2015 I have tried different computers (Thinkpad T420s, Surface Pro 3, Thinkpad X1 Tablet), different OS (Windows 7, Windows 10), with different chipset and of course different graphics hardware, with the same result.

Watching the corrupted text, it appears that the text renderer draws, on the secondary screen, a font of a size that is correct for the resolution of the main screen but this font is spaced with the correct spacing from the secondary screen. The letters are rendered correctly but are misplaced, so they are stepping on each other.

I'm attaching an image showing a simple example of this behaviour, but I'm not sure the image will get through.

image.png

El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 15:40, nop head (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
It probably depends on the graphics driver because I always use OpenSCAD on two screens on Windows and it works fine for me. At the moment I have my main screen on a Laptop at 1920x1080 and the second screen on a TV at 1600 x 900 with overscan. Apart from the fact I can't maximise it on the second screen because of the overscan it works OK and the text is legible. It is just a bit bigger on the TV because it is larger but has lower resolution.

I did try a slightly more modern, larger TV but the text was blurred because it also had overscan which meant it was stretching the image. I have a much larger brand new TV and that works as a monitor without overscan.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 13:27, Álvaro Deibe Díaz <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is my first post in this forum. Please, excuse me if this is not the right place to write this.

I have been using OpenSCAD since 2008, as a tool to teach Geometry concepts in my Mathematics courses (Industrial Design). The OpenSCAD window is projected onto a screen from a Windows machine, configured with extended desktop. I have to use version 2014.03 because it is the last one that works correctly in that environment. Newer versions have some issues with correct scaling of fonts and zooming, on the extended desktop screen (the projected one). The text becomes illegible. It seems to have to do with the zoom scale factor and the fact that both displays have different resolutions.

Of course, in version 2014.03 there is no color coding nor automatic formatting....   :o)



El mar., 17 nov. 2020 a las 2:14, Jordan Brown (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
On 11/16/2020 3:44 PM, Tim Hawkins wrote:
It does not seem to allow you to format a file, or a block, I have started using the openscad mode in intelij so that I can get my files formated correctly without having to do a load of manual reformatting.

Ah, *re*formatting, rather than just as-you-type formatting.

You can at least do block indent/outdent, but I agree you can't just throw a block at it and say "fix this".

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Re: Using SCAD with multiple screens

Álvaro Deibe Díaz
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Oh, I see. Looked for that error before, but missed the right words to find it.

The problems I see are the same as reported. Only, in my case, the error appears with OpenSCAD at any window position and size, not only maximized. Only in the secondary screen. In the primary screen always looks ok.

Thanks for your help and your time.

El mié., 18 nov. 2020 a las 0:51, MichaelAtOz (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
This has been reported as a DPI issue;
https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/1624
But no solution, maybe you could play with DPI settings.



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