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MichaelAtOz
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Menu shortcuts (the underlined chars) are not well adopted.
(where you can do for example Alt+FS to get the file menu then Save)

So I mapped the current (2014.03) menu shortcut keys and keyboard shortcuts:
Underline in menu name is the highlighted shortcut key.
First two column characters:
* = No keyboard shortcut
_ = No underlined menu key shortcut
    (hence *_ has no keyboard shortcut at all and are a priority)


F_ile (NO  R S A  Q) <- the letters underlined for submenus
	N_ew		Ctrl+N
	O_pen...	Ctrl+O
*_	Open Recent>
		x - populated list
*_	Examples>
		x - populated list all the examples
	R_eload		Ctrl+R
 _	Close		Ctrl+W
	---
	S_ave		Ctrl+S
	Save A_s...	Ctrl+Shift+S
	---
*_	Export> (SO   )
*		Export as S_TL...
*		Export as O_FF...
*_		Export as DXF...
*_		Export as CSG...
		---
*_		Export as Image...
	---
*_	Show Library Folder...
	---
	Q_uit		Ctrl+Q
E_dit (URTCPINOM          )
	U_ndo		Ctrl+Z
	R_edo		Ctrl+Shift+Z
	---
	Cut_		Ctrl+X
	C_opy		Ctrl+C
	P_aste		Ctrl+V
	---
	I_ndent		Ctrl+I
	Un_indent	Ctrl+Shift+I
	---
	Co_mment		Ctrl+D
	Uncom_ment	Ctrl+Shift D
	---
 _	Paste Viewport Translation 	Ctrl+T
*_	Paste Viewport Rotation
	---
 _	Find...		Ctrl+F
 _	Find and Replace...	Ctrl+Alt+F
 _	Find Next	Ctrl+G
 _	Find Previous	Ctrl+Shift G
 _	Use selection for Find	Ctrl+E
	---
 _	Zoom In		Ctrl++
 _	Zoom Out	Ctrl+-
*_	Preferences

D_esign (RCR ATP )
*_	Automatic Reload and Compile
	R_eload and Compile		F4
	C_ompile			F5
	Compile and R_ender (CGAL)	F6 

(note while legal, R_ is used twice)

	---
*_	Check Validity
*	Display A_ST...
*	Display CSG T_ree...
*	Display CSG P_roducts...
	---
*_	Flush Caches
V_iew ()
 _	OpenCSG		F9
 _	CGAL Surfaces	F10
 _	CGAL Grid Only	F11
 _	Thrown Together	F12
	---
 _	Show Edges	Ctrl+1
 _	Show Axis	Ctrl+2
 _	Show Crosshairs	Ctrl+3
*_	Animate
	---
 _	Top		Ctrl+4
 _	Bottom		Ctrl+5
 _	Left		Ctrl+6
 _	Right		Ctrl+7
 _	Front		Ctrl+8
 _	Back		Ctrl+9
 _	Diagonal	Ctrl+0
 _	Center		Ctrl+P
	---
*_	Reset View
	---
*_	Perspective
*_	Orthagonal
	---
*_	Hide editor
*_	Hide console
H_elp
*_	About
*_	OpenSCAD Homepage
*_	Documentation
*_	Library info
*_	Check for Update..	(greyed on Windows)
Also note the inconsistent use of ... to indicate a pop-up dialog. Needed on Preferences,Library Info, and fixed on Check for update..
[note for Windows, Help/About does not use ... so it is OK]

I mapped out what could be added as follows (View menu was a PITA to map, maybe it needs splitting?)
Add underlines:

File
	Open Recent_
	E_xamples>
	C_lose
	Ex_port>
		Export as D_XF...
		Export as C_SG...
		Export as I_mage...
	Show L_ibrary Folder...

Edit
	Pa_ste Viewport Translation
	Pas_te Viewport Rotation
	F_ind...
	Find and Re_place...
	Find Nex_t
	Find Prev_ious
	Use s_election for Find
	Z_oom In
	Zoom _Out (if space is legal, else use Z twice)
	P_references (& add ...)
	

Design
	A_utomatic Reload and Compile
(change)Rel_oad and Compile
	Check V_alidity
	F_lush Caches

View (CSGWEXAMTBLRFKDNVPOHI)  remaining: JQUYZ
	OpenC_SG
	CGAL S_urfaces
	CGAL G_rid only
	Throw_n Together
	Show E_dges
	Show Ax_is
	Show Crossha_irs
	Anim_ate
	T_op
	B_ottom
	L_eft
	R_ight
	F_ront
	Back_
	D_iagonal
	Cen_ter
	Reset V_iew
	P_ersective
	O_rthagonal
	H_ide editor
	Hi_de console

Then I listed the keyboard shortcuts
Fn	Menu Shortcut
--
F4	D_esign/R_eload and Compile
F5	D_esign/C_ompile
F6	D_esign/Compile and R_ender (CGAL)

F9	V_iew/OpenCSG
F10	V_iew/CGAL Surfaces
F11	V_iew/CGAL Grid Only
F12	V_iew/Thrown Together
(don't know what other Fn keys are available)

(* means it is available, depending if it has an Operating System reserved function)
Key	Ctl	Shift
+	C		E_dit/Zoom In
-	C		E_dit/Zoom Out
1	C		V_iew/Show Edges	
2	C		V_iew/Show Axis	
3	C		V_iew/Show Crosshairs	
4	C		V_iew/Top		
5	C		V_iew/Bottom		
6	C		V_iew/Left		
7	C		V_iew/Right		
8	C		V_iew/Front		
9	C		V_iew/Back		
0	C		V_iew/Diagonal

A*			(Win standard: Select A_ll)
B*			
C	C		E_dit/C_opy
D	C		E_dit/Co_mment
D	C	S	E_dit/Uncom_ment
E	C		E_dit/Use selection for Find
F	C		E_dit/Find...
F	C	S	E_dit/Find and Replace...
G	C		E_dit/Find Next
G	C	S	E_dit/Find Previous
H*			
I	C		E_dit/I_ndent
I	C	S	E_dit/Un_indent
J*
K*			
L*			
M*			
N	C		F_ile/N_ew
O	C		F_ile/O_pen...
P	C		V_iew/Center	
Q	C		F_ile/Q_uit
R	C		F_ile/R_eload
S	C		F_ile/S_ave
S	C	S	F_ile/Save A_s
T	C		Paste Viewport Translation
U*			
V	C		E_dit/P_aste
W	C		F_ile/Close
X	C		E_dit/Cut_
Y*			
Z	C		E_dit/U_ndo
Z	C	S	E_dit/R_edo

Other keys available? 
(space)
,./;'[]\`

So some spare keys could be added to popular menu items. Apart from noting that Windows has Select All as Ctrl+A (if that was ever needed for you native editor types), I haven't put much thought which would be good.

These seem like good candidates:

Reset View (maybe Ctr+.)
Animate
Perspective
Orthagonal

Hide editor
Hide console
Export as S_TL...
Export as O_FF...
Export as DXF...
Export as CSG...
Export as Image...

I vote to have Export as STL as Ctrl+L.

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Re: The recent talk on Accessibility had me look at menus

tp3
MichaelAtOz wrote
So I mapped the current (2014.03) menu shortcut keys and keyboard shortcuts:
Wow, very nice.

MichaelAtOz wrote
I mapped out what could be added as follows (View menu was a PITA to map, maybe it needs splitting?)
What about changing

--------------------------
Top		Ctrl+4
Bottom	Ctrl+5
Left		Ctrl+6
Right		Ctrl+7
Front		Ctrl+8
Back		Ctrl+9
Diagonal	Ctrl+0
Center	Ctrl+P
--------------------------
Reset View
--------------------------

to

-----------------   -----------------
Change View   ->    Top		Ctrl+4
Reset View          Bottom	Ctrl+5
-----------------   Left	Ctrl+6
                    Right	Ctrl+7
                    Front	Ctrl+8
                    Back	Ctrl+9
                    -----------------
                    Diagonal	Ctrl+0
                    Center	Ctrl+P
                    -----------------


I guess the "Hide editor" / "Hide console" could be moved too (new Window menu?) in case the docking&floating editor/console will be added.
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szabi
Yes Hide editor/Hide console in a "Window" menu would make a lot of sense when it comes to user expectations.

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM, tp3 <[hidden email]> wrote:
MichaelAtOz wrote
> So I mapped the current (2014.03) menu shortcut keys and keyboard
> shortcuts:

Wow, very nice.


MichaelAtOz wrote
> I mapped out what could be added as follows (View menu was a PITA to map,
> maybe it needs splitting?)

What about changing



to



I guess the "Hide editor" / "Hide console" could be moved too (new Window
menu?) in case the docking&floating editor/console will be added.




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MichaelAtOz
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Having a cascading menu adds an extra keystroke,
for example (assuming your shortcut char is C ie 'C_hange View') Top needs Alt+VCT
Adding a top level menu can cut that back.

e.g Alt+VT
& Alt+SO

View (TBLRFKDCVPOA)  
	T_op
	B_ottom
	L_eft
	R_ight
	F_ront
	Back_
	D_iagonal
	C_enter
	---
	Reset V_iew
	---
	P_ersective
	O_rthagonal
	---
	A_nimate

S_how (OSGTEACHI)
	O_penCSG
	CGAL S_urfaces
	CGAL G_rid only
	T_hrown Together
	---
	Show E_dges
	Show A_xis
	Show C_rosshairs
	---
	H_ide editor	(move to Window menu when available)
	Hi_de console

It allows much better character relevance (e.g. T_hrown v's Throw_n)
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tp3
MichaelAtOz wrote
Having a cascading menu adds an extra keystroke,
for example (assuming your shortcut char is C ie 'C_hange View') Top needs Alt+VCT
Adding a top level menu can cut that back.
Right, I don't use those menu entries often myself, but that might be different for someone else. And there is room for more menu entries.
Having "View" and "Show" looks a bit strange. Maybe have "View" and "Camera" or something?
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MichaelAtOz
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Leaving splitting the View menu to one side for now,
isn't anyone interested in adding keyboard shortcuts to functions?

i.e.

MichaelAtOz wrote
So some spare keys could be added to popular menu items. Apart from noting that Windows has Select All as Ctrl+A (if that was ever needed for you native editor types), I haven't put much thought which would be good.

These seem like good candidates:

Reset View (maybe Ctr+.)
Animate
Perspective
Orthagonal

Hide editor
Hide console
Export as S_TL...
Export as O_FF...
Export as DXF...
Export as CSG...
Export as Image...

I vote to have Export as STL as Ctrl+L.
If nobody has a view on which deserve a shortcut, I'll just make a list...
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Got used to "Ctrl-H" for Find&Replace in many other programs for years, only to know that it's "Ctrl-Alt-F" here. But, not a big deal.
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Hi,

good points. As a notebook user I want to add that I didn't find a way to move the part in the xy-plane by keyboard (only right-mouse button).

I use a trackpad, without a 3-button mouse it's quite difficult.

As I have a spinal cord lesion which affects my fingers, too, I have difficulties using a 3-button mouse. Apart from that, it's an accessibility issue which affects not only the "usual suspects" but everyone using OpenSCAD on the go...

I didn't find much about keyboard shortcuts in the documentation, either. Just + - to resize.

Found out about Control + up or down keys to resize by accident.

Any further directions appreciated :)

thanks basti
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@basti - note your post is still marked This post has NOT been accepted by the mailing list yet. You need to complete the registration for posts to get to the mailing list.

That was an aside.

Note for reference

Looking at the code seems F2=File/Save and F3=File/Reload

I'll translate this to an Issue/Feature request when I have time.
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Note for file:
^A (Select All in windows) shows up on right click in the edit pane and works, so unless it is different on Linux/Mac, may as well add it to the edit menu.
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I'm concerned that some key changes, for example,are being done out of context with a bigger picture.

How is the scintilla work going, particularly in regard to key mapping?
Is the intent to use the default mapping, for consistency with other Scintilla based editors, or to try to map the current OpenSCAD shortcuts? Particularly whether F5,F6 will remain with their particular meaning. (and is the Scintilla key re-map-ability going to be available?)

This also re-introduces UI questions above such as possibly splitting the view menu, having a Windows menu (in regard to the split/movable windows), a full set of shortcuts for accessibility, possibility to move the model using keyboard, etc.
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tp3
MichaelAtOz wrote
I'm concerned that some key changes, for example,are being done out of context with a bigger picture.
I guess this one may need to be changed into a preferences setting and maybe just needs to be integrated after scintilla is merged (which will support both editors in the dev snapshot for some time; not sure what the plan for the release is).

MichaelAtOz wrote
How is the scintilla work going, particularly in regard to key mapping?
Is the intent to use the default mapping, for consistency with other Scintilla based editors, or to try to map the current OpenSCAD shortcuts? Particularly whether F5,F6 will remain with their particular meaning. (and is the Scintilla key re-map-ability going to be available?)
I don't see much changes there in the first go, all the menu entries are currently still the same. The current code for scintilla is still missing one or two of the features (e.g. comment out line(s)) but those should be easy to add too.

MichaelAtOz wrote
This also re-introduces UI questions above such as possibly splitting the view menu, having a Windows menu (in regard to the split/movable windows), a full set of shortcuts for accessibility, possibility to move the model using keyboard, etc.
I think that is still a good idea and also even needed independent of the scintilla editor change.
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MichaelAtOz wrote
Note for file:
^A (Select All in windows) shows up on right click in the edit pane and works, so unless it is different on Linux/Mac, may as well add it to the edit menu.
I'm updating the shortcut lists.

Can someone on Linux & Mac pls confirm whether Ctr+A in the editor does a Select-All. And whether it is in the right-click menu.

But while you're at it, may as well do it all; what shows up with a right click in:

Edit view pane: (for Win) Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All

Console view pane: (for Win) Copy, Select-All

3D Preview pane: (for Win) nothing


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William Adams-2
On Aug 1, 2014, at 4:51 AM, MichaelAtOz wrote:

> Can someone on Linux & Mac pls confirm whether Ctr+A in the editor does a
> Select-All. And whether it is in the right-click menu.

Mac OS X:

Command a selects all.

Right-click menu has Select All <curly splat>A

> But while you're at it, may as well do it all; what shows up with a right
> click in:
>
> Edit view pane: (for Win) Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All

Same on Mac, plus at the end: Insert Unicode Control Character

> Console view pane: (for Win) Copy, Select-All

Same on Mac --- Copy is greyed out unless text is selected.

> 3D Preview pane: (for Win) nothing

Same on Mac

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Thanks William.

I should have got my specification right; could you also confirm the key shortcut listed in the right click menu items if different to below. I just noticed on Win for example that the Right-Click/Redo is Ctrl-Y there instead of the Edit/Redo which is Ctrl-Shift-Z (v's Edit/Undo Ctrl-Z), luckily Ctrl-Y is not used elsewhere (perhaps that is why - hence why I'm checking this stuff)

Edit view pane:
(for Win with 2014.07.22)
Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
C-Z , C-Y  , C-X, C-C , C-V  , <Nil>  , C-A

Console view pane: key shortcuts consistent with above

Also what version of OpenSCAD? Snapshots are different to 2014.03 :/ - assuming Qt5 v's Qt4.

>> Anyone for Linux?

(yeh I know I should setup a VPC, but I only have 3.5GB...and OpenSCAD uses most of that!)
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Peter Ragosch
Am Fri, 1 Aug 2014 15:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb MichaelAtOz <[hidden email]>:

>
> >> Anyone for Linux?
>

OpenSCAD version 2014.07.15
openSuSE 13.1 x86_64

Edit view pane:
Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
C-Z , ???  , C-X, C-C , C-V  , <---  , C-A

Console view pane:
Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
C-Z , ???  , C-X, C-C , C-V  ,<Nil>  , C-A

without any text manipulation on Console view

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Peter Ragosch wrote
Edit view pane:
Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
C-Z , ???  , C-X, C-C , C-V  , <---  , C-A
Thanks Peter.

I assume <--- is backspace?
What do you mean by ???, there is no Redo Menu Item?
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G. Wade Johnson
On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
MichaelAtOz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Peter Ragosch wrote
> > Edit view pane:
> > Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
> > C-Z , ???  , C-X, C-C , C-V  , <---  , C-A

Redo is C-S-Z on Linux and it does show in the menu.

> Thanks Peter.
>
> I assume <--- is backspace?
> What do you mean by ???, there is no Redo Menu Item?
>
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Peter Ragosch
Am Sat, 2 Aug 2014 15:38:47 -0500
schrieb "G. Wade Johnson" <[hidden email]>:

> On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
> MichaelAtOz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Peter Ragosch wrote
> > > Edit view pane:
> > > Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Select-All
> > > C-Z , ???  , C-X, C-C , C-V  , <---  , C-A
>
> Redo is C-S-Z on Linux and it does show in the menu.
>
> > Thanks Peter.
> >
> > I assume <--- is backspace?
> > What do you mean by ???, there is no Redo Menu Item?
> >
Hi MichaelAtOz,

You are right, with <--- I meant backspace.

Sorry, my fault. There is indeed a working
Redo Menu Item with key shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Z.


May be the attached menu screen shots are helpful.

Peter
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Re: The recent talk on Accessibility had me look at menus

MichaelAtOz
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I've updated the key/menu info based on 2014.07.22

This is the menus with the shortcut keys, and the menu underlined shotcuts (highlighting what's missing).
menu_shortcuts_by_menu_v3.txt


This is by the key
menu_shortcuts_by_char_v3.txt

This is one suggestion of keys to choose to allocate menu shotcuts to all entries. Also
menu_shortcuts_additions_split_v3.txt

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