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rwas

Hello,

I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.

Anyone else get this?

Robert W.


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Miro Hrončok
I got it too.

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2013/5/6 rwas <[hidden email]>:

>
> Hello,
>
> I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.
>
> Anyone else get this?
>
> Robert W.
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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

Bryan Bishop
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, rwas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.

Yes. I have been advised to regard these emails as scams. I also get Packt Publishing emails regularly through other avenues (for example, PhantomJS).

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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

nophead
I got one also. I assumed it was genuine as it mentioned my blog.


On 6 May 2013 21:32, Bryan Bishop <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, rwas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.

Yes. I have been advised to regard these emails as scams. I also get Packt Publishing emails regularly through other avenues (for example, PhantomJS).

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rwas
nop head wrote:
>  I got one also. I assumed it was genuine as it mentioned my blog.

Well it mentioned my blog too. The problem is I don't have one. :)

I looked them up though, they seem legit.

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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

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On Mon, 6 May 2013 15:32:11 -0500
Bryan Bishop <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, rwas <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.
> >
>
> Yes. I have been advised to regard these emails as scams. I also get Packt
> Publishing emails regularly through other avenues (for example, PhantomJS).

Seem to have spammed everyone. Gives you faith in the quality of the
books 8)
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ds
Let the record show that they did not contact me.  See? There is some
quality in their process...

On 05/06/13 14:03, Alan Cox wrote:

> On Mon, 6 May 2013 15:32:11 -0500
> Bryan Bishop <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, rwas <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.
>>>
>> Yes. I have been advised to regard these emails as scams. I also get Packt
>> Publishing emails regularly through other avenues (for example, PhantomJS).
> Seem to have spammed everyone. Gives you faith in the quality of the
> books 8)
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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

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Thanks for the heads up. I got it too (mentioning a blog I don't have), and while I wasn't planning on responding, it's good to have confirmation that it's the right decision.

On Monday, May 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, rwas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just got an email inviting me to author an openscad tutorial.

Yes. I have been advised to regard these emails as scams. I also get Packt Publishing emails regularly through other avenues (for example, PhantomJS).

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I've received a few of these for a couple of different things..

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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

Peter Falke
I got one too.
I sort of nice to be noticed as an expert of the field ;-)
But I think it very unprofessional not to write there call for author openly on the mailing list.
There webside seems to be ok.
Did anyone every try one of thier books?

Sincerely,

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I've received a few of these for a couple of different things..

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Safari Online carries their books.  I happened to be reading their Python Geospatial Development book (see http://my.safaribooksonline.com/9781849511544/) when I received the same e-mail, so I can confirm that at least one of their books is useful. :-)

They referenced my github repository as the "blog" profile link.

A bit heavy-handed in their approach, but it does seem to be legitimate.

Andrew.

On 2013-05-06, at 8:19 PM, Peter Falke wrote:

I got one too.
I sort of nice to be noticed as an expert of the field ;-)
But I think it very unprofessional not to write there call for author openly on the mailing list.
There webside seems to be ok.
Did anyone every try one of thier books?

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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

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Hi again,

I checked back with Packt, as well with some other people and here's a summary:

* They seem legit
* The quality of their books appear to vary from really good to dubious
* They do pay decent royalties compared to the rest of the industry (16%)
* Data on their idea: 50-80 pages, tutorial style, timeline to first draft: 1 month, timeline to publication: 2-3 months
* They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)
* They will assign a technical editor, proof reader(s) (from the community usually), and a copy editor

All in all, it looks like a good idea, and I feel the potential damage of a bad OpenSCAD book is worse than no book at all ;)

I don't feel I have the time to actually write a book, but I'd be happy to support the effort as a co-author or at least proof reader.

I would greatly prefer if the book could also/eventually be released under a free license. Perhaps it's possible to cut a deal with Packt to open source it after n months?

I feel the economic benefits of writing such a book aren't too tempting, but having professional technical editors and copy editors is a valuable QA resource, so it could be worthwhile.

Any takers?

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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

Johannes Reinhardt
Hi,

I answered them as well. The infos I got are consistent with what Marius
reports. I had read mostly positive things about some of their books in
the past. But I also do not have time to write a book in the next
months.

One thing that I read on their authors page is, that when they
publish a book about an open source project, they give some royalties
directly to the project itself. While it probably is not very much, I
like this idea.

I also believe that a good book about OpenSCAD would be a good idea.

Greetings

Johannes


On Tue, 7 May 2013 10:57:03 +0200
Marius Kintel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> I checked back with Packt, as well with some other people and here's
> a summary:
>
> * They seem legit
> * The quality of their books appear to vary from really good to
> dubious
> * They do pay decent royalties compared to the rest of the industry
> (16%)
> * Data on their idea: 50-80 pages, tutorial style, timeline to first
> draft: 1 month, timeline to publication: 2-3 months
> * They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a
> few hundred $)
> * They will assign a technical editor, proof reader(s) (from the
> community usually), and a copy editor
>
> All in all, it looks like a good idea, and I feel the potential
> damage of a bad OpenSCAD book is worse than no book at all ;)
>
> I don't feel I have the time to actually write a book, but I'd be
> happy to support the effort as a co-author or at least proof reader.
>
> I would greatly prefer if the book could also/eventually be released
> under a free license. Perhaps it's possible to cut a deal with Packt
> to open source it after n months?
>
> I feel the economic benefits of writing such a book aren't too
> tempting, but having professional technical editors and copy editors
> is a valuable QA resource, so it could be worthwhile.
>
> Any takers?
>
>  -Marius
>
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Miro Hrončok
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Hi,

I like the idea of having a deal of opening the book after several months.

When I worked as an editor of chief of LInuxEXPRES (Czech Web Linux
Magazine), we've reviewed some of their books about open source
projects and all were really good.

(if you can read it, or google translate it)
http://www.linuxexpres.cz/tag/packt%20publishing

The information I got are the same as what others got.

I've realized it's a bulk e-mail, when they referenced my github
profile page as my blog. I don't really have a good feeling about it,
but whatever.

On the other hand, I was excited about the possibility of writing such book.

I have extensive experience with writing articles on open source
projects, such as OpenSCAD (I wrote more than 100 articles for
LinuxEXPRES). The only problem I can see is my English, as I have
never wrote a regular English article or book. On the other hand, I
would love to co-author with someone and Packt also has editors and
proof readers. I'm not OpenSCAD magician, but for 50-80 pages you
don't have to be anyway, right :D

I would only be able to start in July, but they seems to not worry about that.

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2013/5/7 Marius Kintel <[hidden email]>:

> Hi again,
>
> I checked back with Packt, as well with some other people and here's a summary:
>
> * They seem legit
> * The quality of their books appear to vary from really good to dubious
> * They do pay decent royalties compared to the rest of the industry (16%)
> * Data on their idea: 50-80 pages, tutorial style, timeline to first draft: 1 month, timeline to publication: 2-3 months
> * They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)
> * They will assign a technical editor, proof reader(s) (from the community usually), and a copy editor
>
> All in all, it looks like a good idea, and I feel the potential damage of a bad OpenSCAD book is worse than no book at all ;)
>
> I don't feel I have the time to actually write a book, but I'd be happy to support the effort as a co-author or at least proof reader.
>
> I would greatly prefer if the book could also/eventually be released under a free license. Perhaps it's possible to cut a deal with Packt to open source it after n months?
>
> I feel the economic benefits of writing such a book aren't too tempting, but having professional technical editors and copy editors is a valuable QA resource, so it could be worthwhile.
>
> Any takers?
>
>  -Marius
>
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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

Bryan Bishop
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Marius Kintel <[hidden email]> wrote:
* They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)

What's the incentive to do that, again? That's a really small amount of money..

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kintel
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On 2013-05-07, at 17:07 , Bryan Bishop wrote:

> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Marius Kintel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> * They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)
>
> What's the incentive to do that, again? That's a really small amount of money..
>
The incentive would be to get access to their technical editor and copy editors, to be able to create a better piece of work.

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Felipe Sanches
But it is better to have free as in freedom documentation than to have highest quality non-free docs.
That's why I endorse the idea that whoever decides to author a book on Openscad should try pressuring the publishing company to license the work under a free license such as the CC By SA or GNU FDL.

Felipe Sanches

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Marius Kintel <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 2013-05-07, at 17:07 , Bryan Bishop wrote:

> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Marius Kintel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> * They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)
>
> What's the incentive to do that, again? That's a really small amount of money..
>
The incentive would be to get access to their technical editor and copy editors, to be able to create a better piece of work.

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On 05/07/2013 08:26 AM, Marius Kintel wrote:

> On 2013-05-07, at 17:07 , Bryan Bishop wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:57 AM, Marius Kintel<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> * They do expect low volumes, but could provide a small advance (a few hundred $)
>>
>> What's the incentive to do that, again? That's a really small amount of money..
>>
> The incentive would be to get access to their technical editor and copy editors, to be able to create a better piece of work.
>
>   -Marius
>


...and access to their marketing, to increase the number of books sold.
  (Though this may not increase it much, as the purchasers might all be
visiting the openscad website already.)


I have a book from this company.  I like it.

The text is not open source.  I suspect the example code is not open
source either, although you can download it for free;  I cannot check
this because you must register before you can download, and I haven't
done that.

It does however have the words "open source" prominently mentioned on
the book and in the book in several places.  And they say they give part
of the profits to the related open source project.

I open the back cover of the book and see a little bar code and a little
label saying the book was printed in Lexington, KY on a certain date.  I
think this means that this is a print-on-demand book.

(Since the date printed in my book falls between the day I ordered it
and the day they shipped it, it couldn't very well be anything else.)

If you have a book from this company, look inside the back cover.  Do
you have something like this too?  If all their books do, then this
means that this company is a publisher, but not a printer (they don't
own any printing presses).

My book came from Amazon.  AFAIK, you can't sell a print-on-demand book
through Amazon unless Amazon prints it (unless Amazon has changed this
policy recently).  Therefore Amazon printed this book.  Perhaps Amazon
prints all their books, including the ones they sell through their own
webstore.

If all their books are print-on-demand, and printed by a company that
has a strict policy that only they can print these books, perhaps it is
too much to hope that the book could be licensed in such a way that you
could upload it to lulu.com or whatever and simply print your own.  I
don't think this fits their business model at all.
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Re: Anyone else get an email from "PACKT Publishing"?

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On 05/07/2013 11:26 AM, Marius Kintel wrote:
> get access to their technical editor and copy editors,
 > to be able to create a better piece of work.

I don't feel qualified to write the book, but I can do good stand-up
imitations of technical & copy editors.

If somebody who knows what they're doing can get a first draft together,
using an open license (CC or whatever), I can beat it into good
technical English. After that, a few iterations should fill it out *and*
we keep the information out in the open, where it belongs.

Qualifications:

I've been editing (which actually means writing) the rules for a robot
contest for the last five years, using LyX/LaTEX to produce both PDF and
HTML versions. It runs about 100 Letter-size printed pages:

http://www.trincoll.edu/events/robot/Rules/default.asp

I've been writing a tech column (on analog & RF stuff) for Circuit
Cellar magazine basically forever and another for Digital Machinist
(about 3D printing, using OpenSCAD models) for about five years. My text
shows up on the printed page basically unchanged; I'll skip the stories,
but basically I'm doing my own copy & tech editing. Those aren't
officially available for download, but you can probably find them
somewhere. [grin]

Based on that, I think I'd do a better job than some random editor who
doesn't know anything about the subject.

IMHO, there's no money to be made in printed books, but something like
Lulu might be the answer for folks who want actual paper.

I don't know if Markdown (or its forks) would suffice to format /
structure the type of information required for an OpenSCAD manual, but
we can figure that out on the fly.

Sounds like fun...

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kintel
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Hi again,

Some updates from the publisher:
o They only start projects with expected volumes of >1000 copies, but I don't know how they do their estimates
o Open Sourcing the book is apparently not up for discussion (no surprise there)

Anyway, I fully support any initiative to write about OpenSCAD, whether the content is Open Source or not. I do prefer Open Source content, but I realize that revenue stream could be a motivating factor in writing in the first place.

 -Marius

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