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Gene Heskett
Greetings OpenSCAD users;

New list member, oldster at 86, still learning OpenSCAD, but making
useful stuff on a 3d printer already, but with a minor concern.

I run the linux x86_64 AppImage which I just tried to update to the
2021-03-2something version, on a stretch system, but it won't run on my
2-24 version of libc.

Am I stuck on the 2021-01 version until I locate a drive suitable for an
upgrade to buster or beyond?

I want to update the boot drive to an SSD but there seems to be a price
wall between the $50 240GB versions, and very pricey 1T versions.  And I
have enough baggage as a nearly 23 year linux only user, that even a
half a terabyte will cramp me. I am already above a 240GB's full
capacity.

Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run on a fully
updated stretch?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: New, old user.

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A Kingston 480 is only a few dollars more ($65 CDN).
Using LVM, two 480s would almost give you a single Tb drive.

Using them as individual drives will back backups easier.


On 2021-03-31 3:03 p.m., Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings OpenSCAD users;

New list member, oldster at 86, still learning OpenSCAD, but making 
useful stuff on a 3d printer already, but with a minor concern.

I run the linux x86_64 AppImage which I just tried to update to the 
2021-03-2something version, on a stretch system, but it won't run on my 
2-24 version of libc.

Am I stuck on the 2021-01 version until I locate a drive suitable for an 
upgrade to buster or beyond?

I want to update the boot drive to an SSD but there seems to be a price 
wall between the $50 240GB versions, and very pricey 1T versions.  And I 
have enough baggage as a nearly 23 year linux only user, that even a 
half a terabyte will cramp me. I am already above a 240GB's full 
capacity.

Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run on a fully 
updated stretch?

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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Re: New, old user.

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On 31.03.21 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run
> on a fully updated stretch?

No.

But...

It seems there's a snapd available for stretch, so it might
be possible to run the Snap package. I don't know if anyone
tried that before or if that snapd can still interact with
the current Snap store.

Or you could install the openscad-nightly package specifically
built for stretch:
https://www.openscad.org/downloads.html#snapshots

At some point I want to also add release builds there, but
this keeps dropping down the task list unfortunately.

ciao,
  Torsten.
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On 3/31/21 4:08 PM, Torsten Paul wrote:
> On 31.03.21 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run
>> on a fully updated stretch?

I'm running OpenSCAD inside of a Ubuntu 20.04 based Docker Image. Works
with CentOS 7.9 and I don't see a reason why it won't with 8.

Can share the Dockerfile and build instructions, if interested.


Regards, Jan

>
> No.
>
> But...
>
> It seems there's a snapd available for stretch, so it might
> be possible to run the Snap package. I don't know if anyone
> tried that before or if that snapd can still interact with
> the current Snap store.
>
> Or you could install the openscad-nightly package specifically
> built for stretch:
> https://www.openscad.org/downloads.html#snapshots
>
> At some point I want to also add release builds there, but
> this keeps dropping down the task list unfortunately.
>
> ciao,
>    Torsten.
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Re: New, old user.

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On Wednesday 31 March 2021 16:08:36 Torsten Paul wrote:

> On 31.03.21 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run
> > on a fully updated stretch?
>
> No.
>
> But...
>
> It seems there's a snapd available for stretch, so it might
> be possible to run the Snap package. I don't know if anyone
> tried that before or if that snapd can still interact with
> the current Snap store.

I have not interfaced with a snap. URL?
>
> Or you could install the openscad-nightly package specifically
> built for stretch:
> https://www.openscad.org/downloads.html#snapshots
>
That would be a synaptic job, so I made
the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscan.list file, but I need the key too.
Never mind, I didn't read above it, got it. Now I see nightly's but only
for arm64, (and my only arm is armhf on a rpi4 with only 2G of ram,
building and runniing linuxcnc to drive an 75 yo Sheldon 11x54 lathe)
and this is an x86_64 with supposed to be 32G of ddr4, but one stick
failed, waiting on its replacement somewhere in the bowels of the USPS?

Wrong link maybe?

> At some point I want to also add release builds there, but
> this keeps dropping down the task list unfortunately.
>
As a long since retired television Chief Engineer, I can understand that
150%. Keeping the cash cow fresh is far more important.

> ciao,
>   Torsten.

Take care and stay well Torsten

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: New, old user.

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On Wednesday 31 March 2021 16:16:57 Jan Wieck wrote:

> On 3/31/21 4:08 PM, Torsten Paul wrote:
> > On 31.03.21 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run
> >> on a fully updated stretch?
>
> I'm running OpenSCAD inside of a Ubuntu 20.04 based Docker Image.
> Works with CentOS 7.9 and I don't see a reason why it won't with 8.
>
> Can share the Dockerfile and build instructions, if interested.
>
>
> Regards, Jan

I've about had my fill of buntu's, they had to put their windowlike stamp
on it, so unless I build it here, or I can find an AppImage that is all
there, I tend to stay with the linuxcnc issue of debian. Currently
buster but this machine is stuck on stretch for lack of a big enough SSD
I can afford.  And yes, I have many and best described as ecliptic
interests. ;-) But at 86, I also don't buy green banannas, I might not
be here to eat them. :(

Thanks for the offer, its appreciated.

Take care and stay well, Jan.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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On 31.03.21 22:49, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I have not interfaced with a snap. URL?

The snap store URL is:
https://snapcraft.io/openscad

It requires the local installation of the snapd package
which maintains those applications.

With snapd installed, it should be possible to run

  snap install openscad

to install the snap package of OpenSCAD

> Now I see nightly's but only for arm64,

That's odd, this:

https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/home:t-paul/OpenSCAD/Debian_9.0

lists successful builds for:

i586    (= Intel 32bit)
amd64   (= Intel 64bit / x86_64),
aarch64 (= ARM 64bit)

All of them should be available via the

deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./

entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list

I'm not sure why it would show only ARM64 for you, but
I think someone reported a similar issue before. I don't
know why that would happen.

ciao,
  Torsten.
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On 3/31/21 5:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Wednesday 31 March 2021 16:16:57 Jan Wieck wrote:
>
>> On 3/31/21 4:08 PM, Torsten Paul wrote:
>> > On 31.03.21 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> Is there any chance of getting an AppImage that will run
>> >> on a fully updated stretch?
>>
>> I'm running OpenSCAD inside of a Ubuntu 20.04 based Docker Image.
>> Works with CentOS 7.9 and I don't see a reason why it won't with 8.
>>
>> Can share the Dockerfile and build instructions, if interested.
>>
>>
>> Regards, Jan
>
> I've about had my fill of buntu's, they had to put their windowlike stamp
> on it, so unless I build it here, or I can find an AppImage that is all
> there, I tend to stay with the linuxcnc issue of debian. Currently
> buster but this machine is stuck on stretch for lack of a big enough SSD
> I can afford.  And yes, I have many and best described as ecliptic
> interests. ;-) But at 86, I also don't buy green banannas, I might not
> be here to eat them. :(

I hear you, and at only 30 springs less, that's precisely why I put
those things into containers. I am at home in CentOS, but all this fancy
stuff wants Ubuntu and Debian. Not my cup of tea.

Now we all should be careful because everyone saw what can happen if you
put too many containers into one EVERGREEN basket.

That said, I not only run OpenSCAD inside of Docker. The Prusa version
of Slic3R is packaged the same way here. As are KiCad, FlatCam and whatnot.

In general I am sick and tired of the fact that certain developer
communities try to push me into a choice of OS or distribution and that
there will be a conflict when I want to use things from different camps
together. So I learned how to dockerize stuff. Now I can happily stay on
CentOS and still use things that like to live in Ubuntu land. They get
their little "buntu" bubble around them and we all get along just fine.


Regards, Jan

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Re: New, old user.

Gene Heskett
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On Wednesday 31 March 2021 17:07:48 Torsten Paul wrote:

> On 31.03.21 22:49, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have not interfaced with a snap. URL?
>
> The snap store URL is:
> https://snapcraft.io/openscad
>
> It requires the local installation of the snapd package
> which maintains those applications.
>
> With snapd installed, it should be possible to run
>
>   snap install openscad
>
> to install the snap package of OpenSCAD
>
> > Now I see nightly's but only for arm64,
>
> That's odd, this:
>
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/home:t-paul/OpenSCAD/Debia
>n_9.0
>
> lists successful builds for:
>
> i586    (= Intel 32bit)
> amd64   (= Intel 64bit / x86_64),
> aarch64 (= ARM 64bit)
>
> All of them should be available via the
>
> deb
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./
I finally got it to match the above but synpatic is now telling me that
link does not have a release file.

The repository 'https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/OpenSCAD/Debian_9.0 ./ Release' does not have a Release
file.

What does the second ./ do? And in this report the last / after
debian-9.0 is missing, but its in the apt line.  And so was
the / after home: before the t-paul. WTH? copy/paste broken?

I've recomposed the deb line, but all the "nightly's" is see are for
arm64.

Or were, now after the last reload and the missing release file
msg, only the 6 year old debian stuff is showing.

> entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list
>
> I'm not sure why it would show only ARM64 for you, but
> I think someone reported a similar issue before. I don't
> know why that would happen.
>
> ciao,
>   Torsten.

Maybe ask somebody at SuSe?

IDK either.

I tried to dl from that page, but for some reason it want's a login and
password, so I set that up and it still won't let me have it. Maybe it
doesn't like my side of the pond? :)

Take care and stay well, Torsten.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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The line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list

is (without quotes)

"deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New, old user.
>
> On Wednesday 31 March 2021 17:07:48 Torsten Paul wrote:
>
> > On 31.03.21 22:49, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I have not interfaced with a snap. URL?
> >
> > The snap store URL is:
> > https://snapcraft.io/openscad
> >
> > It requires the local installation of the snapd package
> > which maintains those applications.
> >
> > With snapd installed, it should be possible to run
> >
> >   snap install openscad
> >
> > to install the snap package of OpenSCAD
> >
> > > Now I see nightly's but only for arm64,
> >
> > That's odd, this:
> >
> > https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries/home:t-paul/OpenSCAD/Debia
> >n_9.0
> >
> > lists successful builds for:
> >
> > i586    (= Intel 32bit)
> > amd64   (= Intel 64bit / x86_64),
> > aarch64 (= ARM 64bit)
> >
> > All of them should be available via the
> >
> > deb
> > https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./
> I finally got it to match the above but synpatic is now telling me that
> link does not have a release file.
>
> The repository 'https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-
> paul/OpenSCAD/Debian_9.0 ./ Release' does not have a Release
> file.
>
> What does the second ./ do? And in this report the last / after
> debian-9.0 is missing, but its in the apt line.  And so was
> the / after home: before the t-paul. WTH? copy/paste broken?
>
> I've recomposed the deb line, but all the "nightly's" is see are for
> arm64.
>
> Or were, now after the last reload and the missing release file
> msg, only the 6 year old debian stuff is showing.
>
> > entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list
> >
> > I'm not sure why it would show only ARM64 for you, but
> > I think someone reported a similar issue before. I don't
> > know why that would happen.
> >
> > ciao,
> >   Torsten.
>
> Maybe ask somebody at SuSe?
>
> IDK either.
>
> I tried to dl from that page, but for some reason it want's a login and
> password, so I set that up and it still won't let me have it. Maybe it
> doesn't like my side of the pond? :)
>
> Take care and stay well, Torsten.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
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On Wednesday 31 March 2021 20:24:29 MichaelAtOz wrote:

> The line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list
>
> is (without quotes)
>
> "deb
> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./"
>
I took the s out of https, but still no release file for me.
Call me puzzled.  Or whatever...

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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That line got reformatted, id is "deb <with the http..>" on one line without quotes.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:56
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: New, old user.
>
> On Wednesday 31 March 2021 20:24:29 MichaelAtOz wrote:
>
> > The line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openscad.list
> >
> > is (without quotes)
> >
> > "deb
> > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/ ./"
> >
> I took the s out of https, but still no release file for me.
> Call me puzzled.  Or whatever...
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
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Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 31 March 2021 22:02:11 MichaelAtOz wrote:

> That line got reformatted, id is "deb <with the http..>" on one line
> without quotes.

It may have been spoilt in the echo you got back by your mail agent,
looked good here in kmail.  All on one line here.

> > > "deb
> > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/t-paul/Debian_9.0/
> > > ./"

But now its wrapped and spoilt.

> > I took the s out of https, but still no release file for me.

Thanks Michael.

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