Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
Sorry I don't know what to call this - Sketchup calls it the Orbit tool... ;-)

If I grab the render and move my mouse (or fingers around my trackpad) then the view changes as it always has by rotating the model about the centre of the viewpoint, which is [0, 0, 0] by default.

If I now move my cursor up beyond the upper boundary of the preview screen (into the window title area) then the zoom and camera position apparently changes. The centre of rotation is now so far off [0, 0, 0] that any further movement of the cursor is not useful - the model is rotating about some random point that is way off the scale.
The same doesn't happen if I move the cursor out of the preview area to the left, right or bottom boundaries.

Is this intentional? Am I just misunderstanding the new preview/model navigation?
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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I suspect I have seen similar, basically there is something 'off' ATM.
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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On Nov 11, 2014, at 03:35 AM, QuackingPlums <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Is this intentional? Am I just misunderstanding the new preview/model
> navigation?
>
When you pan your model, this will change the center of rotation.
If you want to get it back, either try to pan it back, or just do View->View All or View->Center.

If something else is wrong, could you try to carefully explain how to reproduce it, perhaps with a screenshot?

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
I haven't panned it unless the controls for panning and rotating have changed.

As I understand it, if I left-drag then this rotates the model and if I right-drag then this pans the model.

Differences I have observed comparing 2014.11.05 with 2014.03 (stable) are:

Left-dragging the model upward until the cursor crosses the upper boundary of the preview pane causes the model to zoom out and the viewport to translate to something weird (zooming in again does not centre the model in the view).

Right-dragging the model pans the view but it appears that the default viewport is not aimed at the same place - in 2014.03 the model would follow my cursor closely. In 2014.11.05 the model pans much more slowly and appears to be doing so with more parallax. Sorry, difficult to explain that last bit.

I don't know how a screenshot will help but I'll grab one later and post it.
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

kintel
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On Nov 11, 2014, at 11:00 AM, QuackingPlums <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Left-dragging the model upward until the cursor crosses the upper boundary
> of the preview pane causes the model to zoom out and the viewport to
> translate to something weird (zooming in again does not centre the model in
> the view).
>
OK, I can (occasionally) reproduce this.
Will submit a bug on it.
If you have any idea why this could happen I’d be interested :)

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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> When you pan your model, this will change the center of rotation.
In 14.10.02 the red star marking the center of rotation stays stuck at the origin regardless of pan.
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Bananapeel <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> When you pan your model, this will change the center of rotation.
> In 14.10.02 the red star marking the center of rotation stays stuck at the
> origin regardless of pan.
>
I don’t follow you. What red star? Could you provide a screenshot?

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

Bananapeel
I reset the view from the menu and panned my right clicking and dragging straight left, and now it looks like this:
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

kintel
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On Nov 17, 2014, at 15:14 PM, Bananapeel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I reset the view from the menu and panned my right clicking and dragging
> straight left, and now it looks like this:
> <http://forum.openscad.org/file/n10148/pan.png>
>
Oh, I wasn’t aware that people were actually using the crosshair function. I was thinking about removing it..
..but you’re right in that it changed behavior sometime after 2014.03.

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
I made a video demonstrating this issue and the odd discovery today that it only occurs when I first open a file - it goes away if I minimize the OpenSCAD window and restore it from the dock!

Hope that link worked!

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
Hmm.  Link didn't work for me. Here is the raw URL:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9774553/OpenSCAD%20preview%20bug.mp4
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

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That video seem to show the drag issue I mentioned in issues 863. In 2014.03 dragged object move a lot more per mouse move than in snapshots where you have to repeatedly swipe the mouse across the screen to move it.
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
This post has NOT been accepted by the mailing list yet.
Yes, it shows a few additional issues that I didn't comment on explicitly:

1. The pan movement requires far more mouse/trackpad movement than previously - the model doesn't "feel" connected to the mouse when dragging.

2. When the mouse button is held down and the pointer moved beyond the upper bound of the preview pane, not only does the weird zooming behaviour occur but when the mouse is brought back into the pane it sometimes mistakenly assumes the button is still held down when it isn't.

3. I also illustrated the crosshair issue raised by Bananapeel above.

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
Apparently we're bumping threads from before the server crash, so here goes...
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

Bananapeel
No, the bumping was because the thread starter had never been subscribed to the mailing list (new or old).
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
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Ok, I finally got 2014.12.07 and the problem persists, though is a little different.

Picking up the model and moving the mouse into the title area above now only causes the viewport to zoom out partially - it's as if it is now limited by *something*.

Panning is still "sluggish" compared to 2014.03 and requires excessive mouse movement for on-screen displacement.

Sticky mouse button is still evident.

Crosshairs issue unchanged.

On a positive note, the erroneous warnings about functions have gone. :-)
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

kintel
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On Dec 18, 2014, at 06:56 AM, QuackingPlums <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Picking up the model and moving the mouse into the title area above now only
> causes the viewport to zoom out partially - it's as if it is now limited by
> *something*.
>
> Panning is still "sluggish" compared to 2014.03 and requires excessive mouse
> movement for on-screen displacement.
>
> Sticky mouse button is still evident.
>
Would you mind creating two separate github issues for these? We should definitely look into these before the upcoming release.
-> One for the sticky+zooming issue and another for the sluggish pan.

> Crosshairs issue unchanged.
>
This was fixed before 2014.12.07. In my build, this works as it should. Could you double-check that you’re using the correct build?

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
kintel wrote
Would you mind creating two separate github issues for these? We should definitely look into these before the upcoming release.
-> One for the sticky+zooming issue and another for the sluggish pan.
Done.

kintel wrote
> Crosshairs issue unchanged.
>
This was fixed before 2014.12.07. In my build, this works as it should. Could you double-check that you’re using the correct build?
My apologies, I skimmed through my tests and got confused over which was the correct/intended behaviour. This is indeed fixed in the latest build.

As an aside, I don't know if this is worthy of a mention: OSX won't show more than one version of OpenSCAD in my launch pad - only the latest one appears, despite them all being in my Applications folder and all having execute permission granted in the security control panel. Is this related to how the application is signed?
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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

kintel
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On Dec 19, 2014, at 06:08 AM, QuackingPlums <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> As an aside, I don't know if this is worthy of a mention: OSX won't show
> more than one version of OpenSCAD in my launch pad

Do you know of any other apps which correctly appear multiple times for different versions?

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Re: Has the preview window 'orbit' functionality changed? (2014.11.05 OSX 10.9.5)

QuackingPlums
I guess there's not a massive demand for it - I can only find one other example in my launchpad which is the DJI Assistant software for the DJI range of multicopters.
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