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3D Printer

fractorr
I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.




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Re: 3D Printer

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https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/813q30/3d_printing_purchase_advice_megathread_what/dv0sj1t/

Reddit's 3dprinting megathread buying guide.
Short answer - The MP Select will come in under budget for you and print that build volume. I have one myself but haven't tried nylon in it. Not sure what the material requirements are for it.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:22 PM, fractorr <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.




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Re: 3D Printer

jon_bondy
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I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot
enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240,
which is just at the low end for nylon.  You might be able to find some
nylon-ish filaments that would work.  I print nylon in an enclosure, and
the CR-10 does not come with one.  If you can make do with PLA, the
CR-10 is wonderful.


On 4/24/2018 2:22 PM, fractorr wrote:

> I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
> inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
> pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
> hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
> possible.
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Re: 3D Printer

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I just printed some nuts and bolts with my CR-10 @0.6mm, as a test.  They're very tight but they work great.  I like that they're tight.  I want to screw them into an aluminium tube that I've tapped out, that appears to be a go.  Nice fit, good hold.

I was planning on making an enclosure, and I was planning on trying nylon.  I guess I should do those things in that order.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 5:51 PM, jon <[hidden email]> wrote:
I like the CR-10, for around $500, but I wonder whether it can get hot enough for nylon. The hot end for the CR-10 should not go over 240, which is just at the low end for nylon.  You might be able to find some nylon-ish filaments that would work.  I print nylon in an enclosure, and the CR-10 does not come with one.  If you can make do with PLA, the CR-10 is wonderful.


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I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
possible.




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Re: 3D Printer

Jamie Bainbridge
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For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie



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> I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
> inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
> pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
> hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
> possible.
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Fw: Re: 3D Printer

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If you're shooting for nylon, you'll also want to know that nylon filament is seriously hydroscopic. It can absorb atmospheric water in as little as a day, compared to PLA or ABS which is good for a week or more. Keep the nylon sealed when not in use. Print your part and remove the nylon immediately, unless a repeat print is in the works.

The stuff expands a good ten percent after its printed, depending on the original dimensions.

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Re: 3D Printer

fractorr
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Thanks all for the input. What about the Dremel Digilab 3D20? It looks like
it should do what I want and from my reading should be able to nylon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NA00MWS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524633249&sr=1-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Dremel+Digilab+3D20&psc=1



On April 24, 2018 4:21:37 PM Jamie Bainbridge <[hidden email]>
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> For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.
>
> Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
> filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
> releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
> will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
> teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.
>
> If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
> then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
> which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
> Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
> upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.
>
> Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
> clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
> "improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
> cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
> inferior which just leads to filament clogging.
>
> Jamie
>
>
>
> On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
> > inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
> > pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
> > hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
> > possible.
> >
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Re: 3D Printer

tsingi
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> Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful.

That's good information, thanks Jamie.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge <[hidden email]> wrote:
For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie



On 25 April 2018 at 04:22, fractorr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
> inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
> pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
> hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
> possible.
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Re: 3D Printer

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Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at 255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned. Wikipedia says above 300C for Teflon flu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever



On 25 April 2018 at 10:03, Rick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Above 240C, teflon releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful.

That's good information, thanks Jamie.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Jamie Bainbridge <[hidden email]> wrote:
For nylon, the number one thing you want is an all-metal heatbreak.

Many of these cheap Chinese printers have a design where the teflon
filament tube goes down into the hot nozzle area. Above 240C, teflon
releases an odorless colorless neurotoxin which is very harmful. You
will need to go over 250C to print Nylon, so a printer design with the
teflon tube up against the nozzle is not suitable.

If you buy one of these cheap machines with the teflon tube hotend,
then spend the money upgrading the hotend to a genuine E3D V6 hotend
which has an all-metal heatbreak. Buy from a genuine reseller such as
Filastruder (USA) or E3D themselves (UK). You will find designs for
upgrading most printers to a V6 on Thingiverse or MyMiniFactory.

Don't believe cheap printer vendor marketing and don't buy a cheap
clone hotend. A lot of them sell these teflon-lined hotends as
"improved design" which isn't actually an improvement at all. Where a
cheap clone actually has a metal heatbreak, usually the machining is
inferior which just leads to filament clogging.

Jamie



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> I am looking at buying a 3D printer, just looking for a small fairly
> inexpensive 3D printer, any recommendations?  It just for prototyping small
> pieces with a max size of about 4" x 4" x 1", does not need to super fast,
> hoping to be able to use nylon, something in the $300 - $500 range if
> possible.
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Re: 3D Printer

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nophead wrote
> Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at
> 255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned

Well that explains a lot ;) once your neurons are done for, you obviously
wont notice...like mad hatters ;)

Wikipedia > The polymer fumes are especially harmful to certain birds whose
breathing, optimized for rapidity, allows toxins which are excluded by human
lungs. Fumes from Teflon in very high heat are fatal to parrots.

So we need a parrot rather than a canary? ... obviously leading to the Monty
Python sketch...



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Re: 3D Printer

jon_bondy
I have parrots and cook with teflon cookware.  I would not worry about
teflon failing in a 3D printer or causing fumes.  But there is a plastic
tube in some printers that can fail if they are over heated.  The closer
you get to the theoretical failure point, the more risk you have that
the hot end will fail.  All metal hot ends are better for high
temperature filaments, but some of them have trouble printing PLA.


On 4/25/2018 5:57 AM, MichaelAtOz wrote:

> nophead wrote
>> Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at
>> 255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned
> Well that explains a lot ;) once your neurons are done for, you obviously
> wont notice...like mad hatters ;)
>
> Wikipedia > The polymer fumes are especially harmful to certain birds whose
> breathing, optimized for rapidity, allows toxins which are excluded by human
> lungs. Fumes from Teflon in very high heat are fatal to parrots.
>
> So we need a parrot rather than a canary? ... obviously leading to the Monty
> Python sketch...
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tsingi
So, I should just get a parrot?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:05 AM, jon <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have parrots and cook with teflon cookware.  I would not worry about teflon failing in a 3D printer or causing fumes.  But there is a plastic tube in some printers that can fail if they are over heated.  The closer you get to the theoretical failure point, the more risk you have that the hot end will fail.  All metal hot ends are better for high temperature filaments, but some of them have trouble printing PLA.


On 4/25/2018 5:57 AM, MichaelAtOz wrote:
nophead wrote
Well I have spend years amongst 3D printers with PTFE liners running at
255C and haven't noticed my neurons being poisoned
Well that explains a lot ;) once your neurons are done for, you obviously
wont notice...like mad hatters ;)

Wikipedia > The polymer fumes are especially harmful to certain birds whose
breathing, optimized for rapidity, allows toxins which are excluded by human
lungs. Fumes from Teflon in very high heat are fatal to parrots.

So we need a parrot rather than a canary? ... obviously leading to the Monty
Python sketch...



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Re: Fw: Re: 3D Printer

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I keep my PLA out all of the time and print with it weeks and months after I open the reel.  I use filament from UltiMachine.  I agree that one has to be more careful with nylon...


On 4/24/2018 7:33 PM, fred wrote:
If you're shooting for nylon, you'll also want to know that nylon filament is seriously hydroscopic. It can absorb atmospheric water in as little as a day, compared to PLA or ABS which is good for a week or more. Keep the nylon sealed when not in use. Print your part and remove the nylon immediately, unless a repeat print is in the works.

The stuff expands a good ten percent after its printed, depending on the original dimensions.


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Re: 3D Printer

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tsingi wrote
> So, I should just get a parrot?

And attach electrodes, so when the parrot leaves the mortal coil, you can
activate the exhaust fan?
You should of course have spare parrots.
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Re: 3D Printer

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Get a mk2 as a kit
Or spend a bit more and get a mk3
It will save a huge amount of time
The auto cal and the removable sheet
Is incredible


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Re: Fw: Re: 3D Printer

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Let me second a vote for UltiMachine filament.  I have only used their ABS
and PLA, but every reel I have gotten from them tends to print smooth as
butter.

I have tried MatterHackers and Hatchbox (Amazon) and had less than stellar
results with both.  Saving a few dollars on filament is useless when the
filament causes printer jams, misprints, or the parts crack apart.

I have a giant waterproof tote that I keep everything but my active spool
inside.  Every time I get a silica desiccant packet (the "Do-not-Eat" packet
that ships with shoes and electronics) it goes in the tote with the
filament.  The lid stays firmly clamped on except when changing filament.
Humidity here normally stays around 85%, so keeping the filament from
absorbing that helps the prints also.



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Re: Fw: Re: 3D Printer

codifies
Don't forget PETg you can reliably print without fans and its got just
enough flex to make it more robust than for example PLA

- although you do need to print hotter (than PLA) and a little slower to
make sure you get best results...


On 25/04/18 14:44, shadowwynd wrote:

> Let me second a vote for UltiMachine filament.  I have only used their ABS
> and PLA, but every reel I have gotten from them tends to print smooth as
> butter.
>
> I have tried MatterHackers and Hatchbox (Amazon) and had less than stellar
> results with both.  Saving a few dollars on filament is useless when the
> filament causes printer jams, misprints, or the parts crack apart.
>
> I have a giant waterproof tote that I keep everything but my active spool
> inside.  Every time I get a silica desiccant packet (the "Do-not-Eat" packet
> that ships with shoes and electronics) it goes in the tote with the
> filament.  The lid stays firmly clamped on except when changing filament.
> Humidity here normally stays around 85%, so keeping the filament from
> absorbing that helps the prints also.
>
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